Fuck big pharma. They’re still profiting at the price the NHS buys at, otherwise they wouldn’t be selling them anything. Greedy fucks.
One massive benefit of the NHS that most don’t consider is the sheer bargaining power of having a single body negotiate and purchase drugs for an entire nation.
rev-fr-john on
They’re not purely investing in, they’re profiting from, and in a big way.
general_adm_aladdeen on
Would someone please think of the shareholders?!11
Agreeable_Falcon1044 on
No they won’t. They are butthurt they can’t rip us off like they can the Americans…but let’s be clear, only a complete moron would abandon 70 million customers because they only make “substantial profits” rather than “criminal profits”
NoYouCantHavePudding on
Literally legal blackmail for greedy shareholders. It’s the American way to do business. Send them packing and steal their recipes.
Captain_English on
They pulled out of a £450M investment after Labour said they wouldn’t fund it, and they’re threatening not to spend £250M on a new research site at Cambridge.
This is then mixed in with the AZ chief complaining about the NHS pricing structure, without articulating at all how the NHS pricing approach is in any way bad for the NHS or taxpayers. All we get is:
>Mr Grady said: „We’ve failed to keep pace on medicine investment over the years.“
>He accused the Government of falling behind other countries when it comes to supporting innovation and warned that patients were missing out on cutting-edge treatments as a result.
How are they missing out?
This absolutely reads like a company playing hardball with the government on new industrial investment because they want to make more money from the taxpayer. Don’t give in, or they’ll do it again (and so will others).
thx1138a on
I have it from an insider that this is mainly posturing.
Innocuouscompany on
I’ve said it before, make a drugs division of the NHS that then competes against these companies globally. It could tie into education and the industrialisation of science as a national industry.
It’s the only way to make the NHS affordable in the future as we become an aging population that needs more and more drugs
citron_bjorn on
We could do with having our own laws allowing other companies to use drug patents if the cost is too high, like india does.
marmarama on
How about we nationalise AstraZeneca? It’s based in the UK and most of its employees and operations are in the UK.
If they want to attempt to play hardball with the government over NHS medicine payments, the government should have its own stick for negotiations.
sf-keto on
Asking the government to support innovation is one thing; claiming that the only way to do this is to pay US prices is absolutely another.
And ridiculous.
The NHS is huge buyer & in a free market is perfectly in its rights to throw its weight around for better pricing.
b_33 on
This is a game, they have been trying to infiltrate and dismantle the NHS for decades.
Rincewindcl on
Forgive my ignorance, but I’ve always thought that this type of research should be in a public body anyway. When profit is a factor, how can you really trust the outcome of a clinical trial or drugs study?
We should have a public body specifically for drug creations and trials. The output could be quite lucrative to sell internally, if the government wants it to generate a profit.
Beer-Cave-Dweller on
I see it’s now a distant memory for AZ back when the UK government defended them from other countries heavy criticism during their COVID vaccine rollout…….
This is the beauty of the NHS. It’s by no means a perfect organisation but its structure means they are able to drive down drug prices for the benefit of the country and its people. It’s been a thorn in the side for the vulture capitalists for years.
syylvo on
I think that aligns with their plans to invest 50B in the US manifacturing after Trump’s tariffs, they even abandoned the plan to build the new building in Cambridge that could have created 1000 jobs they say. They will bring the money to the US instead
GeekyGamer2022 on
Ah yes the classic big business/billionaire empty threat of „We’re leaving unless you let us gouge prices and not pay tax“
Just nationalise the fuckers.
Informal_Drawing on
Get to it AstraZenica.
Close the door when you leave.
Comfortable-mouse05 on
Classic big american corp throwing their weight around
Both-Mud-4362 on
We need to stop letting bullies get their own way. They can f*ck off and we can start up our own pharmaceutical company supplying the public at reasonable rates.
Forsaken-Original-28 on
Capitalism for the average guy but big corporations need hundreds of millions of pounds of help to function. Why can the government not start there own vaccine manufacturing company
ONE_deedat on
That’s why these guys, through the USA, are pushing for a ReformUK government!
arabidopsis on
The amounts they have pulled is like nothing to them.
Considering the same companies have all announced building in the US in the billions. It’s obvious what they are doing.
UK pharma is not just AZ, yes AZ is a big name, but there’s a lot of other companies I would argue do more than AZ do at getting drugs out there
Jeets79 on
After their covid vaccine that made sick twice, they can go to hell honestly.
We should be creating our own medicines and cures in England.
NegotiationWeird1751 on
Bigpharma need the NHS privatised so they can charge through the nose. Individual pharmacies won’t have the same negotiating power as the NHS and NICE.
We will go from having to pay for medications but also the cost of each medication will sky rocket.
bomboclawt75 on
Get the big Pharma out of the NHS.
All the treasonous MPs that have allowed them in, know full well that we will be gouged like they gouge the Americans.
Every MP that has taken a brown envelope from these parasites should stand down.
SPYHAWX on
Sure, go invest in the USA where the president can just claim your drugs cause autism.
Average_sheep1411 on
Investing in what? They aren’t a charity. They got the world to take a drug which we don’t know the full side effects. That’s gonna costa us in the long run. The weird lump I developed after the second jab is now scheduled for removal.
AB_1234567890 on
Time for a little bit of a reality check for the commenters from someone involved in the sector. 1) AZN is a global company with <5% of sales in the UK at crappy margins so even if they left the UK no big deal 2) the NHS can’t nationalize anything. The UK’s life science sector is in the doldrums. 99% of drugs being discovered in the world are not in the UK, nor are being produced in the UK. We don’t have the skill or talent to discover new drugs, this is a global sector, one country can’t do all drugs from dermatology to oncology etc.
We need private companies to succeed – the UK only has two out of hundreds (astra and GSK) and these are old dinosaurs at this point. All successful nations and economies have a thriving private sector across various arms. We can’t just be relying on accounting/banking/legal/3rd class IT jobs. The NHS as a monopoly has to strike a balance between bargaining hard vs being fair, same argument for nurse and doctors wages, pharma pricing hasn’t kept up with inflation.
ucardiologist on
Good riddance
Don’t let the door hit you in your vage
ucardiologist on
Good riddance
Don’t let the door hit you in your vage
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Fuck big pharma. They’re still profiting at the price the NHS buys at, otherwise they wouldn’t be selling them anything. Greedy fucks.
One massive benefit of the NHS that most don’t consider is the sheer bargaining power of having a single body negotiate and purchase drugs for an entire nation.
They’re not purely investing in, they’re profiting from, and in a big way.
Would someone please think of the shareholders?!11
No they won’t. They are butthurt they can’t rip us off like they can the Americans…but let’s be clear, only a complete moron would abandon 70 million customers because they only make “substantial profits” rather than “criminal profits”
Literally legal blackmail for greedy shareholders. It’s the American way to do business. Send them packing and steal their recipes.
They pulled out of a £450M investment after Labour said they wouldn’t fund it, and they’re threatening not to spend £250M on a new research site at Cambridge.
This is then mixed in with the AZ chief complaining about the NHS pricing structure, without articulating at all how the NHS pricing approach is in any way bad for the NHS or taxpayers. All we get is:
>Mr Grady said: „We’ve failed to keep pace on medicine investment over the years.“
>He accused the Government of falling behind other countries when it comes to supporting innovation and warned that patients were missing out on cutting-edge treatments as a result.
How are they missing out?
This absolutely reads like a company playing hardball with the government on new industrial investment because they want to make more money from the taxpayer. Don’t give in, or they’ll do it again (and so will others).
I have it from an insider that this is mainly posturing.
I’ve said it before, make a drugs division of the NHS that then competes against these companies globally. It could tie into education and the industrialisation of science as a national industry.
It’s the only way to make the NHS affordable in the future as we become an aging population that needs more and more drugs
We could do with having our own laws allowing other companies to use drug patents if the cost is too high, like india does.
How about we nationalise AstraZeneca? It’s based in the UK and most of its employees and operations are in the UK.
If they want to attempt to play hardball with the government over NHS medicine payments, the government should have its own stick for negotiations.
Asking the government to support innovation is one thing; claiming that the only way to do this is to pay US prices is absolutely another.
And ridiculous.
The NHS is huge buyer & in a free market is perfectly in its rights to throw its weight around for better pricing.
This is a game, they have been trying to infiltrate and dismantle the NHS for decades.
Forgive my ignorance, but I’ve always thought that this type of research should be in a public body anyway. When profit is a factor, how can you really trust the outcome of a clinical trial or drugs study?
We should have a public body specifically for drug creations and trials. The output could be quite lucrative to sell internally, if the government wants it to generate a profit.
I see it’s now a distant memory for AZ back when the UK government defended them from other countries heavy criticism during their COVID vaccine rollout…….
This is the beauty of the NHS. It’s by no means a perfect organisation but its structure means they are able to drive down drug prices for the benefit of the country and its people. It’s been a thorn in the side for the vulture capitalists for years.
I think that aligns with their plans to invest 50B in the US manifacturing after Trump’s tariffs, they even abandoned the plan to build the new building in Cambridge that could have created 1000 jobs they say. They will bring the money to the US instead
Ah yes the classic big business/billionaire empty threat of „We’re leaving unless you let us gouge prices and not pay tax“
Just nationalise the fuckers.
Get to it AstraZenica.
Close the door when you leave.
Classic big american corp throwing their weight around
We need to stop letting bullies get their own way. They can f*ck off and we can start up our own pharmaceutical company supplying the public at reasonable rates.
Capitalism for the average guy but big corporations need hundreds of millions of pounds of help to function. Why can the government not start there own vaccine manufacturing company
That’s why these guys, through the USA, are pushing for a ReformUK government!
The amounts they have pulled is like nothing to them.
Considering the same companies have all announced building in the US in the billions. It’s obvious what they are doing.
UK pharma is not just AZ, yes AZ is a big name, but there’s a lot of other companies I would argue do more than AZ do at getting drugs out there
After their covid vaccine that made sick twice, they can go to hell honestly.
We should be creating our own medicines and cures in England.
Bigpharma need the NHS privatised so they can charge through the nose. Individual pharmacies won’t have the same negotiating power as the NHS and NICE.
We will go from having to pay for medications but also the cost of each medication will sky rocket.
Get the big Pharma out of the NHS.
All the treasonous MPs that have allowed them in, know full well that we will be gouged like they gouge the Americans.
Every MP that has taken a brown envelope from these parasites should stand down.
Sure, go invest in the USA where the president can just claim your drugs cause autism.
Investing in what? They aren’t a charity. They got the world to take a drug which we don’t know the full side effects. That’s gonna costa us in the long run. The weird lump I developed after the second jab is now scheduled for removal.
Time for a little bit of a reality check for the commenters from someone involved in the sector. 1) AZN is a global company with <5% of sales in the UK at crappy margins so even if they left the UK no big deal 2) the NHS can’t nationalize anything. The UK’s life science sector is in the doldrums. 99% of drugs being discovered in the world are not in the UK, nor are being produced in the UK. We don’t have the skill or talent to discover new drugs, this is a global sector, one country can’t do all drugs from dermatology to oncology etc.
We need private companies to succeed – the UK only has two out of hundreds (astra and GSK) and these are old dinosaurs at this point. All successful nations and economies have a thriving private sector across various arms. We can’t just be relying on accounting/banking/legal/3rd class IT jobs. The NHS as a monopoly has to strike a balance between bargaining hard vs being fair, same argument for nurse and doctors wages, pharma pricing hasn’t kept up with inflation.
Good riddance
Don’t let the door hit you in your vage
Good riddance
Don’t let the door hit you in your vage