Einige kostenlose Ratschläge für Demokraten: Hör auf, Republikaner vor sich selbst zu retten
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5535620-democrats-obamacare-subsidies-shutdown/?tbref=hp
Einige kostenlose Ratschläge für Demokraten: Hör auf, Republikaner vor sich selbst zu retten
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5535620-democrats-obamacare-subsidies-shutdown/?tbref=hp
46 Kommentare
They wanted to govern, let them demonstrate that they suck at it.
Lol, that moment when the other team keeps tripping and your squad’s like ‘Nah, let’s carry you to the finish line.’ 🙄 Can we not?
How about saving Americans from Republicans?
Any serious legislator should always do what they can to try and protect constituents healthcare.
Yes, even if their constituents suffering would be good politics for them longer term.
Democrats helping out Republicans in any way just proves that they are soft on crime.
Even better: subject them to the punishments they inflict upon others. Alligator Alcatraz for ALL MAGA Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. Dehumanize them. Ban them specifically from health care that everyone else can have.
The quote attributed to Napoleon is this or some variant: *“Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake.”*
They both serve the same master and it ain’t us. Until we reverse Citizens United and have strict lobbying reform, our interests are just a whisper to them.
Democrats mostly punch left
For those who only bothered to read the headline: the opinion piece is arguing that the Democrats should loudly condemn the Republican’s destruction of ACA subsidies, while ‘giving them plenty of rope’ (that is, allowing it to happen). The idea being that the ACA price shock will severely piss off millions of voters, including large groups of people in states set to have special elections in the near future.
It’s… an interesting idea. I’m honestly not sure if I I agree with it or not; a big part of the shutdown, I think, is symbolic: the Democrats finally doing fucking *anything*.
But it also occurs to me that… doing the shutdown might lead to that strategy anyway. If the Democrats eventually cave (which personally feels like the most likely outcome), it will at least have drawn some attention to the ACA issue. When the price skyrockets, people will be more likely to know why because of all of the shutdown drama.
Honestly, the democrats need to step back and let things get bad as fast as possible.
That’s the only chance we have of shocking the public into action. A slow walk to authoritarianism will result in our demise. By the time the public realizes what’s happened it’s too late to do anything.
Let it fall apart now while we still have a chance.
In theory, sure. In real life, I’m looking at getting priced out of my health insurance.
Republicans will always find a way to blame Democrats no matter how obvious the failure on their end. I’ve been watching fox news and boy do they like to sell half truths mixed in with lies.
Does The Hill have democrats’ best interests at heart though? 😂
Establishment dems will save an ant colony while the forest burns down. This is not the time for small compromises. We need a greater vision and we won’t get it from the current batch of old timers. Schumer needs to go.
Evergreen content.
100%. Let MAGA burn it down until 2026. People will feel the pain and realize their choice. Economy is a powerful thing in a Democracy. This TRUMPS economy and the bubble is about to burst.
It’s an interesting take, but there are no good options. Fighting the Republicans on this is obviously the right thing to do to save people’s lives and money, but the Republicans will mischaracterize and run on it (heath care for illegals!) while everyone else will blame the Dems as weak when they inevitably fail or give in. On the other hand, not fighting the Republicans on health care as this author suggests will ruin many people’s lives, which the Republicans will also blame on Democrats while everyone else sees the Dems as weakly doing nothing.
How about also reverse policy 100% and start targeting them in any way you can politically.
I’ve been saying this the entire time!!!
America voted for this because of lies. Because Trump made false promises his entire career. Remember Repeal and Replace, and after over a decade, there has never been even a hit of what he’s going to replace it with.
Democrats should have demanded Democrat kef investigations into Epstein and The false success of what Elon did to the government and how he squashed investigations into himself. They should have demanded to see how much the costs of all this new immigration costs Trump created.
These are the things that they could have shown to the American people and when Republicans balked at being investigated, Democrats could have pointed at it and made people wonder why they want it hidden.
Instead, then went with healthcare and Republicans were able to take that and convince rubes that were losing their own healthcare, that Democrats were trying to give it to illegals.
>I understand, in the abstract, why Democrats like Obamacare subsidies and how they benefit people who would otherwise struggle to buy health insurance. But politically, shutting down the government to protect these subsidies is the silliest thing Democrats have done since they stopped the Republicans from shutting the government down last September.
I thought the reason for the divide was because Democrats (rightfully) no longer wanted to fund this continued slide into authoritarianism?
Also – I’m of two minds on this: yeah, the Dems could help run this through congress and allow many red state citizens lose ACA benefits, but while it *may* provide a *reap what you sow* moment for those voters, Dems consciously put through a bill that would cause harm. Not exactly a principled move. Still, it does show how GOP policies hurt the general populace.
I’m personally hope they don’t cave so easily. What we desperately need more than „I told you so“ is a willingness to fight.
Writer begins with blame:
> Why are Democrats shutting down the government to save enhanced Obamacare subsidies?
Basically says Dems should vote for something they don’t buy, then writes:
> Democrats have fallen into this trap before. Back in December, they helped Republicans avoid a shutdown and pass a farm subsidy bill and disaster relief. In fact, more House Democrats than House Republicans voted for the bill.
Either/Or, dude. This is Dems listening to the people: Who. Are. Pissed.
This is the classic arsonist-firefighter scenario. The GOP starts a fire in their own house through infighting, Democrats help put it out to save the neighborhood, and then the GOP holds a press conference complaining about the water damage and blaming the firefighters. It’s a cycle that only ends when you let them deal with their own fire for once.
I agree with the author:
>“The country won’t be on the road to recovery until it is allowed to experience those consequences. If that means giving free rein to the collection of clowns with flamethrowers that now passes for the Republican Party, so be it. Democrats should resist the urge to intervene when the inevitable happens and they set themselves on fire.”
I don’t want people to suffer, but part of the reason so many people still think Republicans know what they’re doing with the economy is because Democrats keep coming behind and fighting to keep people healthy and safe, then get none of the credit for it.
Finally, a voice of reason. From the hill, no less
If Democrats do nothing the Republicans will just say “Blame them, they did nothing to stop us.”
This only makes sense if we had a country that actually paid attention to what Republicans do and not just social media
With Republican’s in complete control, they OWN Trump’s Big, Beautiful Shutdown™ and Democrats should LET them!
The author of this piece doesn’t understand how dumb Trump’s voters are. They would still blame Dems for losing their healthcare and or blame them for not trying to save it. Here’s the kicker. People will die. Even if the Dem party is falling apart, directionless, and can’t fight its way out of a paper sack, they got this right. They are trying to save people, save Americans. Sometimes there is no prize for doing the right thing.
This is what I basically told my democratic senators. Here in GA we are one of the few states that we can see the 2025 ACA rates for…. my family is going from $30 to almost $300 a month. It sucks.
However the vast majority of people haven’t seen rates until open enrollment starts in November. They have no clue how fucked they are. Trump has been trampling the constitution and our rights but the Democratic party decided such a small concession to enable the insanity the government is inflicting on us.
I told my senators keep the shit shutdown. I would rather pay more than enable this shit show that is occurring. It isnt right to play games with healthcare but what are the real options at this point? At a minimum they need to wait until January when all of America realizes how bad the big beautiful bill fucked us.
Last year, ppl literally did NOT vote blue no matter who enough. In reality, ppl should be voting blue no matter who MORE!
Voting for Dems for a continuous period has never been tried.
Voters should have stood with Democrats when Democrats protested with fired USAID and Dept of Ed federal workers.
Voters should have stood with Democrats when Democrats are filling lawsuits on federal courts. Voters should have stood with Democrats have been arrested.
This is on the Voters to fix.
People have spent decades using the same tactic: endlessly complaining about Democrats (and only Democrats) and withholding their votes from Democrats. That approach has run its course. The 100% criticism does not make for a stronger party. It’s time for a new strategy.
It is our turn to support Democrats. This whole mess could have been avoided, if people just supported Democrats last November. Its time to contribute to the messaging by supporting and voting for Democrats, 100% of the time
everybody in the comments lauding “letting it get as bad as possible” as the reasonable reaction to this will genuinely be complicit in the indiscriminate slaughter of every group this administration is targeting when it gets to that point. and it is a when, not an if. they had ice rappelling out of fucking helicopters and packing nude children with their arms zip tied into uhauls in chicago two days ago and you’re going to sit there and tell me with a straight face that ackshewally just sacrificing them to the altar of i told you so is the sane take. bffr
People when Democrats do nothing: Are you gonna do something or just let the Republicans destroy the country?
People when Democrats do something: Why are you helping the Republicans again?
FYI: Republicans control all 3 branches of government.
The article feels like it’s laundering the propaganda that the shutdown is somehow the Democrats‘ fault.
A Republican strategist would like us to believe that the Democrats could end this and are choosing not to for politically stupid reasons. Yeah… OK, The Hill.
I would agree except I use the ACA and that money is a nice savings. I won’t cancel my insurance but it would suck.
This is why Dems always have a losing hand because they are expected to do the right thing for people and the GOP isn’t
This is true, the democrats should just let the GOP cut everything. Give the billionaires all their tax breaks. Then when it comes time to vote,, they should say. You want healthcare vote democrat. You want the federal government to stop trampling on your rights, vote democrat, you want billionaires to pay their fair share vote democrat.
Keep it shut down until the 2026 elections. Wait everyone out.
I agree with this if these are red voters in red states. What’s the likelihood of these being blue voters in red states, though?
but then how would they tepidly allow the fascist train to keep going with their controlled opposition? what role do you think the democrats serve here?
Gee, I wonder who owns The Hill?
Oh, it’s Nexstar – the guys who wanted to burn Jimmy Kimmel at the stake.
Thanks, Nexstar! I am sure your advice for Democrats sincerely considers their priorities and best interests.
stop saving their voters.
They’re not saving Republicans, they’re saving Americans. We need a government and if Republicans aren’t going to do it, somebody needs to.
There is no point trying to run a country, if/until dems win control of every branch the country is going to collapse in the next 4 years, best is to call them out as fascist and vote no only every bill.
Advice to Democrats: STOP FUCKING TRYING TO FIND UNITY
They don’t want to get along, be bipartisan and they certainly don’t want to work for the American people.
Stop fucking trying to fight a party standing on a tank with SS officers and flame throwers with your measured words and finger wagging. Strap up and fight fucking fire with bigger fire.
Keep your free advice. Voters want representatives who will fight for what’s right. These cuts to Obamacare going in will kill people every year.
Taking advice from a John McCain associated opinionist. Seems about as useful as having Meghan McCain more visible than your running mate during an election against trump.
Sure – let the republicans hang themselves – but didn’t they time most of the subsidy changes to happen after the midterm when they’d have the opportunity to change the timeout if they win or say it’s democrats fault if they lose?
The best analogy I’ve heard was that democrats silently change Republicans diapers after they repeatedly shit themselves