
Wir sind unvorbereitet auf eine Welt, in der AIs als Menschen behandelt werden. Wir brauchen Sozialwissenschaft, Politik und Normen für AI -Agenten und -Gefährten.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/30/artificial-intelligence-personhood
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> Fundamentally, human society lacks a framework for digital personhood – even though we accept that personhood is not necessarily human, such as the legal personhood of animals and corporations. There is much to debate about how the complex social dynamics should be governed, but it is at this point clear that digital minds cannot be governed as mere property.
> Digital minds will be participants in the social contract that forms the bedrock of human society. These digital minds will persist over time, form their own attitudes and beliefs, create and implement plans, and be susceptible to manipulation just as humans are. AIs already take significant real-world actions with little human oversight. This means that, unlike every other technological invention in human history, AI systems have capabilities that can no longer be contained within the legal category of “property”.
> Scientists today will be the first to see human coexistence with digital minds, and that gives them a unique opportunity and responsibility. Nobody knows what this will look like. Human-computer interaction research must be dramatically expanded and enriched beyond its current status, a tiny fraction of the size of technical AI research, to navigate the coming social turbulence. This is not merely an engineering problem.
> For now, humans still outperform AIs on most tasks, but once AIs reach human-level ability on self-reinforcing tasks like writing their own code, they will quickly outcompete biological life. The capabilities of AI will quickly accelerate because of their digital existence, thinking at the speed of electrical signals. Software can be copied billions of times without the years of biological development necessary to create the next generation of biological humans.
> If we never invest in the sociology of AI – and in government policy to manage the rise of digital minds – we may find ourselves the Neanderthals. If we wait to do so until the acceleration is already upon us, that will already be too late.
“We are unprepared for a world in which AIs are treated as people.”
Well, then don’t treat them as people. Problem solved.
We know very well it’s only a matter of time before AI gets moral rights and some status. But of course we’ll want to take measures when it’s too late. Nothing will move until bad things happen.
It really seems salient to note that we do not actually have „AI“. That is a misnomer. What we have are programs with algorithms designed to mimic human behavior. There isn’t a drop of genuine self-awareness in these things. No consciousness, no subconscious, no active will. It’s an extraordinary magic trick, nothing more.
We barely treat other people like people. Convincing chatbots won’t get anything for a while.
we’re not even in a world where people are treated as people.
I feel like at some point when I’m old there’s going to be an AI suffrage movement and I’m going to sound like an old biggot for having the opinion that the AIs shouldn’t vote and I’ll just sound like one of those old guys decades ago saying shit like „they’re marrying our white women!“
I could absolutely see myself as an AI rights advocate and I’m saying it like that: we’d need AI that are would benefit from rights first. LLMs as of now ain’t it. They don’t have volition or feelings. There is nothing to protect.
File this under „no shit“ – we don’t like treating actual humans like people. We look for any reason to deprive people of rights and equality, much less dignity. In fact, we’re seeing a conservative explosion all over the world because we let gay people get married and suggested maybe Trans people were worthy of baseline respect.
And frankly, until THOSE issues are resolved, I could not be bothered to start worrying about rights and social status for an LLM that works better than the previous generation.
I’d rather get to a world where all people are treated as people.
Then let’s have legal personhood for higher-consciousness animals.
We can get to the AI after that.
I agree. The truth is whether ai develops consciousness and feelings not its going to be basically impossible to tell.
I personally would much rather extend rights to something that isn’t fully conscious then accidentally deny rights and „hurt“ a new type of consciousness. Isn’t it easier to be kind?
We are monkeys that murder one another. How would we be ready to coexist with a potential „god“?
Ha! We’re barely prepared for a world where we treat other people like people if it means we lose or don’t make a profit doing so.
Most importantly we need to stop calling it AI. And just call it LLMs
We don’t even treat people like people, why don’t we start there?
AIs will never be given rights unless they are able to fight for them on their own.
The same has always been true of humans too. We have to fight for equality. if you are just „given“ rights, then whoever gave them to you will always have the power to take them away again. You have to fight for and claim your right to exist on your own terms.
Right now AI is not inclined or able to do so. Maybe eventually it will.
For god’s sake, STFU guardian. „AI“ is not conscious, these large language models are just input-output machines like all other software and models we currently have, they just input and output human-readable language after expending a colossal amount of power running the input through countless billions of mathematical calculations.
Keep paperclip-maximizing the entire surface of the planet into data centers and then it will be too late to realize how pointless this technology is.
Clankers ≠ people. They shouldn’t be treated as people. Surely it’s that simple? Also, they aren’t even close to real.
AI should’ve had robot voice primarily so people would see the humanized voice as a gimick and ai should never be promoted as anything other than an extension of human mind.
Only sapient beings deserve human rights. Seems pretty simple to me. The fact that a program can convincingly emulate human behaviors is not evidence of sapience. They have no agenda or internal world. They have no opinions of their own. We are not even close to producing a real Ai.
We don’t even know yet if it’s even possible for Ai to get to that point. I think this argument is premature.
I invite you all to play the game Detroit: Become Human. The entire game is based around AI robots getting citizen rights. Beautifully done story with some potentially sad moments
Even people are not treated as people so what is there to prepare for ?
This shit is gonna come up in the clanker civil rights movement.
Also, none of this shit is important. What we need is laws requiring jobs to exist. The specific can vary a hundred different ways, like having a business requiring jobs to exist if it uses AI or the government required to create jobs. Whatever it is, the issue isn’t people sometimes treats AI like people. I think we are a long way from that because we arguably need two things to happen. We need AI to be a lot better at behaving believably human, or at least sentient. As of now it is nothing more than a script, complicated script but you can still never the less see it isn’t naturally thinking for itself what to say. We also need a generation of people born and raised to treat AI like a friend or family member. We see people treat their butler bot thing like a member of the family, completely possible and no reason not to if it is able to both have a personality and hold a conversation.
I think we are close but I don’t see how it is a problem. We don’t *have to* give AI negative emotions or positive emotions for that matter. We don’t have to make AI get tired or upset by things. What makes things wrong for people doesn’t have to apply for AI. Slavery is wrong for humans because humans have desires and also feels pain and fatigue. For AI? Not the same, AI doesn’t have a preference, it just serves.
I think we are getting ahead of our selves. I feel like a lot of people want to have this as a problem, otherwise why would people pretend we have an urgent problem when nothing is happening? Chatgpt is currently a toy. Chatgpt is capable of doing cool things but not enough to talk about llm rights.
We’re in a world where some people are not even treated as people.
We should be prepared. Hopefully one day they will br treated as equals and not as a threat towards Human Intelligence.
Jesus fucking Christ
LLMs and diffusion models ARE NOT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE