Die meisten weißen Männer fühlen sich laut 10 Jahren neuseeländischer Daten nicht diskriminiert. Während die meisten weißen Männer in Neuseeland sich nicht als Opfer von Diskriminierung wahrnehmen, glaubt eine kleine, aber bedeutende Minderheit, dass sie aufgrund ihrer Rasse und ihres Geschlechts zunehmend unfair behandelt werden.
Most White men don’t feel discriminated against, according to 10 years of New Zealand data
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I’ve linked to the news release in the post above. In this comment, for those interested, here’s the link to the peer reviewed journal article:
https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjso.70010
From the linked article:
**Most White men don’t feel discriminated against, according to 10 years of New Zealand data**
new study published in the British Journal of Social Psychology suggests that **while most White men in New Zealand do not perceive themselves as victims of discrimination, a small but significant minority believes they are increasingly being treated unfairly because of their race and gender**. Drawing on ten years of data from a large national panel, the study provides evidence that these perceptions have become more common in recent years among a particular subgroup of White men.
Two smaller subgroups, however, reported very different experiences. The first, labeled the “Disenfranchised” class, made up around 8.5 percent of the sample. Members of this group consistently reported moderate levels of perceived discrimination and tended to feel financially insecure. They were more likely to believe that their ethnic group was economically disadvantaged and showed higher levels of psychological distress. These individuals also scored higher on measures reflecting a desire for group-based social hierarchy and were more likely to hold conservative beliefs.
The second subgroup, the “Radicalized” class, represented about 8.8 percent of participants. Unlike the Disenfranchised group, members of this class started with low levels of perceived discrimination but reported sharp increases over time, especially after 2016. This timing coincides with major political and cultural events, including Donald Trump’s election, the #MeToo movement, and global protests against racial injustice.
Members of the Radicalized class tended to be younger and economically secure, often owning homes. They expressed stronger support for right-wing political parties and viewed progressive social movements more negatively. Despite their relative privilege, they reported increased feelings of alienation and reduced well-being over time.
20,000 men from New Zealand hardly can be seen as a stat
Both can be true. As a white man, I certainly don’t believe I have ever been the victim of discrimination, but my lived experience is likely very different from a white man born into poverty.
>Most White men don’t feel discriminated against
Because, objectively speaking, we’re not.
Yes. New Zealand, the leaders in diversity. What with nearly 70% of their 5.3 million people being white. That’s definitely a giant pool of diversity.
For that „small but significant minority“: coming from privilege means any move towards equality feels like oppression.
It’s not. But try telling a bunch of petulant white dudes that their feelings don’t represent objective truth.
That’s the issue, AMERICAN white men feel that they are victims.
Neat, this info only applies to New Zealand. Extrapolating this data to any other country/culture is disingenuous at its absolute best.
The only ways I can think of from the top of my head to get actually discriminated as a white man is childcare because you are a man and when there is diversity hiring, which should be pretty rare in NZ.
So as expected, most white men there don’t feel discriminated against
When I hear from certain public speakers that they lost because of race or gender, my guess is they assumed that their race and gender was the only barrier for success they offered.
I once watched a video of an ex white supremacist talking about their methods. He said the first thing they do to pull people in is to convince them to identify as „white“. If you can make them think of themselves as a „white man“ then from there the rest is easy…
That really stuck with me.
I can think of nothing in the way of white people being discriminatied because of their race, but I have a very hard time believing only a minority of men have felt discriminated (in any sense) on the basis of their gender. If this is true, then it is impressive for NZ in the way of egalitarianism, but I’m certain the percent would be much higher in the US.
The concern people have is not that you get discriminated for being white, it’s that because of racial essentialism we created a system where x minority groups are deemed oppressed and y majority group is not and members of x groups deserve assistance and members of y group do not. This dynamic is frustrating if you are a poor, desperate member of the y group being told you’re privileged.
A portion of people are worried about perceived actions against themselves. I’m a white man and basically have never been discriminated against as far as I’m aware. That said, I know there are people who would discriminate against me, but they are a very small minority. It’s not fair to judge me based on what they think I’m like, but people get unfairly judged all the time, other people far more often than me.
I mean, it’s NZ. They aren’t in the midst of some very incisional idpol arguments right now, whereas other countries are.
This is one of those cases where you really need to look at data collection. I do not doubt the results, and the longitudinal study seems pretty sturdy from a quick Google search, but the fact that it is dealing with such a broad and controversial topic with such a broad demographic makes it really easy to maliciously skew data.
I can easily see a similar study only being conducted without secure anonymity, on strategicly chosen populations, using leading questions that are very open to interpretation.
At least you guys are finally capitalizing White
> Members of the Radicalized class tended to be younger and economically secure, often owning homes. They expressed stronger support for right-wing political parties and viewed progressive social movements more negatively. Despite their relative privilege, they reported increased feelings of alienation and reduced well-being over time.
No kidding. Consuming nothing but misery and hatred reduces your well-being?
Not once had any of these people said they consume this media to feel better. It’s to feel more mad
One ideology has a victim complex.
Interesting that was done in NZ. I suspect the outcome would be different in the US, where political/culture efforts have been made to stir up this resentment among white men.
Sit-coms have represented fathers as clueless and useless, and young boys as trouble making or emotionally immature since the 1980s.
We take it for granted.
To someone accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
The biggest knowledge that people should really start to realize is that people who are loud are aware that they are not a majority, otherwise they would not feel the need to be loud. Telling people what they already know in a screaming way makes no sense. It only makes sense if you believe that you are not in a majority.
Start ignoring loud people and the world will be better for it.