Vier EU -Länder bezahlten Russland während des Krieges mehr für Gas als die Ukraine, als sie die Ukraine gaben
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Von AloneCoffee4538
Vier EU -Länder bezahlten Russland während des Krieges mehr für Gas als die Ukraine, als sie die Ukraine gaben
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Von AloneCoffee4538
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Oh look! Not a single one of these countries border Russia!
The irony of all this is that Netherlands has a very large natural gas deposit however due to issues regarding extraction it has been or is being shut down afaik. I think the issues are related to minor earthquakes in the surrounding areas above the deposit. France is also strange considering they have one of the most nuclear dependent grids and on paper cheap electricity and reliable grid. Spain is odd, being so close to the Sahara it experiences mild winters compared to the rest of Europe. Maybe these imported quantities are used for heating and cooking rather than any power plant or co-generation
Imports are made by ship to specific terminals. The gas can arrive in France and be delivered to Germany, for example. Should we blame the buyer, the intermediaries, or the end customer? Are there multi-year contracts? Are these contractual deliveries or new contracts?
I blame Russia first for its aggression.
What you see for Belgium is the North Sea gas terminal.
a) I think it’s better to view the EU as a whole since this is how the energy transition was planned
b) scaling down was always planned to be slow so as not to drive the energy prices ridiculously high (for both Europeans and to not artificially create profits for Russia)
Once again this shows we’re all just big hypocrites…
oh look greenpeace taking political stances not related to environment.
OK but they took gas in return. It’s not like they gave it to Russia as a gift
Russia invaded ukraine knowing Europe was reliant on Russian gas , without it people would have died , russia took full advantage, Europe is quickly moving away from russian gas ,,but even quickly takes years of infrastructure
A few points:
* Russian LNG wasn’t really a thing before 2021 (towards Europe, that is), so its initial rise in this chart is fairly logical (also coming off Covid-19 economic downturn).
* The Netherlands donated more funds to Ukraine than it paid for Russian gas. From the same report: €8.997bn support for Ukraine and €5.84bn on Russian LNG imports.
* Many of these countries don’t consume or pay for the LNG they import themselves; they mainly serve as key hubs with large ports that handle the LNG and redistribute it to other EU countries.
* It’s essential to include data on pipeline gas as well, or else the picture is significantly skewed and misleading.
* Tax revenue (or other revenue) for Russian state is a lot less than these figures imply.
Are you misleading on purpose, or?
In fact 2025 hasn’t been over yet, I guess the final data will only be higher than the year 2021
Bit of a weird way to put it. One is trade, the other is what?
Oh look Russian LNG is going to places with large ports, and not directly to countries that don’t …
From Belgium, i find that shameful. Belgium is dumb and narcissistic. They have just completely decommissioned a nuclear reactor in good state some days ago. I hate my country…
Google where are the re gasificarion terminals in Europe?
This is import and not usage. There’s often export from these nations too. The mistake was relying on Russian gas for that long and on fossil fuel for that long. But Europe is trying to kick it’s addiction. We could could do more but we should not fall for the narrative that Europe is financing the war-effort in Russia. Export from Russia to India and China for fossil fuel is up enormously.
Europe’s problem there is that there are other dependencies on China and we’d like more autonomy from the US so China shouldn’t be pushed too hard for collaborating with Russia. Even though China gave a green flag to Putin before the Olympic games and before te invasion. There re also dependencies on India as a counter weight to both US and China.
Geo-politics is difficult. Keep pressure on Russia, buy time, get more independent on strategic domains such as energy but also, services and military safety from the US and goods from China. It’s like we are secrectly saving up to move out and at the same time we keep up the illusion of a happy marriage with the US and China. Going too fast gives rise to the populist vote of „strong“ leaders that don’t mind Putin and Trump. Go to slow and stay dependent.
Fun fact. Europe **donates** to Ukraine military aid and **pays** Russia (or whatever intermediary state is being used) for actual resources that do not magically appear and that they have to deliver, gas exports are not all profits.
In fact much likely the price craze triggerend by the sanction uncertainty during the first phase of the war actually helped their enconomy rather than hinder their effort as it drove up the price of their export and increased those profits, all things being equal.
Now should Europe have started decoupling from Russian gas way before the conflict? Sure we should have done that, to be honest starting from 2014, but let’s not delude ourselves that we have the power to change a significant portion of our energy mix magically in a few months or even a couple of years, or that the global markets for commodities are not integrated.
I also wonder how much export sanctions are effective to a country that we lack the power to blockade and that will find other buyers anyway. Russia is not Cuba, or Venezuela.
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You got it wrong. Those are entry points for the LNG.
Discussion not going as you’ve planned, right AloneCoffee4538?
Note that Germany is simply importing Russian gas via Belgium: https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/germany-cant-shake-russian-gas-lng-purchases-arctic-yamal-project-skyrocket
Honestly we should frack. Just substitute all the natural gas from Russia with shale gas, export the surplus. Make like the US.
They do need it
Europe has proven itself to be a reliable trade partner under all circumstances. It continues to pay for Russian energy despite being directly attacked. Russia is essentially selling the EU the very rope it will use to hang itself
Using more affordable Russian energy under current circumstance is the same level of reasoning as bailing oneself out with accessible micro loans.
Yes, because the people of those countries need gas. Whats with this shitty point of view. They should stop using gas and give all their money to Ukraine?
The biggest users of Oil and Gas from Russia in the EU is actually the eastern countries. Bosnian, Moldova, Macedonia and indeed Finland.
The UK almost completely out of using Russia oil and gas. Majority comes from Norway and US I believe. One of the few very good stories about how the UK has removed reliance on Russia for energy.
Bad, bad Hungary… this is Orban’s fault!
all pibelines should be destroyed if EU wont do it, we should assist Ukraine with doing it…
Title: Amount of money paid to Russia is more than amount of money sent to Ukraine
Graph: Amount of cubic meters inported from Russia
Am I the only one seeing the disconnect?
How much money was sent in comparison to money paid graph is what we needed here..
meanwhile Spain let’s ban Israel trade. fake ass politician
Wow this is embarrassing for those countries
Why is France buying so much gas when they have such a strong Nuclear power supply?
With the same reasoning you can say that Russia delivered that much worth of fuel to Ukraine’s allies to support the war efffort.
While we absolutely should continue our efforts to bring any fossil fuel use down to zero, it’s not a given that a panicked switch to other suppliers would have improved our relative position vs. Russia.
Always beware of Russian trolls trying to sow division among the alliance, and reduce your thermostat with one degree to burn less gas.
Title and image do not match at all. Why does it have so many likes?
Include gas pipelines in your metric too. See a different picture.
this is probably just the tip of the iceberg… and their(France and Spain) donations/support to Ukraine are also minuscule
The largest LNG importers are free, Spain, Italy, Netherlands and Belgium. So there is no surprise here.
In 2021 the EU imported 150 billion cubic metres of gas. This number dropped to 50. Compared to the 20 bcm are not that impressive. This number will go down in the next few years.
Important is Russia imported 2021 40% of all gas to Europe and in 2024 19% of which more than half are still coming through pipelines. EU reduced consumption drastically and it will continue to decrease.
Fuck Russia.