Have we tried increasing the minimum wage and other costs on businesses?
AstronomerAdvanced37 on
I wouldn’t either, he’s had one failed apprenticeship. I wouldn’t offer him another.
IEnjoiWhelks on
Unfortunately with apprenticeship and trades, it’s who you know, not what you know or your work ethic.
I know many people from young who knew sparkies etc friends of the family and they all did really well and got taken on.
Unfortunately my dad’s best friend was a spark and he passed away very young.
It is tough out there for youngsters in the job market.
We need to start training one of our own for every job we import someone for.
TheEnglishNorwegian on
No offence to guy in the picture, but people often judge people within the first few seconds based on looks, and his chosen style makes him look a bit dodgy honestly.
But as per the article he’s not getting past the email stage, and this is probably due to them already having failed one apprenticeship or just poorly written applications.
Jakes_Snake_ on
Another uninspiring story from the BBC that does not reflect the reality for most people.
Inevitable-Eye5697 on
The dude looks like a character from an extrafabulous comic.
Dissidant on
>He was previously employed with a construction business, but they were unable to keep him on as an apprentice as they claimed there could be added costs and lengthy training.
Rough translation “ Even though the apprenticeship is subsidised, we’re letting you go and taking the next lad out of the revolving door, because cheap labour is good and god forbid we actually have to train you or *gasp* pay you more eventually. But we’ll give you a bollocks excuse because you won’t know. GL HF “
Alot of the time it is the larger employers taking the piss.
cankennykencan on
Alot of trades don’t want to take an apprentice on as alot of 16-17 year olds can be unreliable.
Not all but alot of them will turn up late, not be ready at 5am, play on their phone etc.
TheL0wKing on
It is an ongoing issue with the construction industry in particular that the DfE just doesn’t understand when they talk about boosting apprentice number. For the first 6 months to a year they are a drain on the company.
It’s not even the wages, PPE costs or any other overheads. It’s that they need babysitting. They have to be taught how to do things, given time to practice, have their work checked and the entire time someone needs to keep an eye out to make sure they don’t do anything stupid. You are reducing the work that whoever ends up managing them gets done until the apprentice gets enough experience. That is less of an issue for huge companies but any small or medium business that is already overstretched simply cannot manage an apprentice.
I know the company I work for has rejected plenty of apprentices like the one in the article because we simply did not have the capacity. So I sympathise.
Opposite_Orange_7856 on
But I thought everyone who goes to Uni is wasting time and there’s thousands of apprenticeships there that people should be doing?
West_Category_4634 on
Lose the tasche, trim eyebrows, lose the chain, wear a suit.
YorkshireBloke on
Not a tradie, but know a fair few. They all say it’s just a lot of effort for no reward and on top of that a lot of the kids just can’t be arsed, or are unreliable or cause other issues.
Think about it, if someone came to you and said „hey how about we make your job a lot harder and complex for no payoff other than maybe a nice warm feeling that your doing good?“… Most people would tell them to f off. There needs to be incentive on both sides.
Concerned-CitizenUK on
My son did a brick laying course at college, they don’t even help or try to connect them with employers . Getting an apprenticeship is really tough, in fact even getting any job as a young person is really difficult. My son applied for loads of positions in manufacturing and retail and barely got responses . It makes a mockery of the perception that British children are lazy and don’t want to work.
Deadliftdeadlife on
Realistically you have to accept dog shit wages for a long time to entice a company to take you on and keep you on, so it’s worth it for you.
I started out on £30 a day.
I’m qualified now and I made £3500 last week
My experience now is we get a lot of lads that are book qualified but you see them hold a drill or look at a drawing and you know that’s all they are, book qualified. Mostly useless on site
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Have we tried increasing the minimum wage and other costs on businesses?
I wouldn’t either, he’s had one failed apprenticeship. I wouldn’t offer him another.
Unfortunately with apprenticeship and trades, it’s who you know, not what you know or your work ethic.
I know many people from young who knew sparkies etc friends of the family and they all did really well and got taken on.
Unfortunately my dad’s best friend was a spark and he passed away very young.
It is tough out there for youngsters in the job market.
We need to start training one of our own for every job we import someone for.
No offence to guy in the picture, but people often judge people within the first few seconds based on looks, and his chosen style makes him look a bit dodgy honestly.
But as per the article he’s not getting past the email stage, and this is probably due to them already having failed one apprenticeship or just poorly written applications.
Another uninspiring story from the BBC that does not reflect the reality for most people.
The dude looks like a character from an extrafabulous comic.
>He was previously employed with a construction business, but they were unable to keep him on as an apprentice as they claimed there could be added costs and lengthy training.
Rough translation “ Even though the apprenticeship is subsidised, we’re letting you go and taking the next lad out of the revolving door, because cheap labour is good and god forbid we actually have to train you or *gasp* pay you more eventually. But we’ll give you a bollocks excuse because you won’t know. GL HF “
Alot of the time it is the larger employers taking the piss.
Alot of trades don’t want to take an apprentice on as alot of 16-17 year olds can be unreliable.
Not all but alot of them will turn up late, not be ready at 5am, play on their phone etc.
It is an ongoing issue with the construction industry in particular that the DfE just doesn’t understand when they talk about boosting apprentice number. For the first 6 months to a year they are a drain on the company.
It’s not even the wages, PPE costs or any other overheads. It’s that they need babysitting. They have to be taught how to do things, given time to practice, have their work checked and the entire time someone needs to keep an eye out to make sure they don’t do anything stupid. You are reducing the work that whoever ends up managing them gets done until the apprentice gets enough experience. That is less of an issue for huge companies but any small or medium business that is already overstretched simply cannot manage an apprentice.
I know the company I work for has rejected plenty of apprentices like the one in the article because we simply did not have the capacity. So I sympathise.
But I thought everyone who goes to Uni is wasting time and there’s thousands of apprenticeships there that people should be doing?
Lose the tasche, trim eyebrows, lose the chain, wear a suit.
Not a tradie, but know a fair few. They all say it’s just a lot of effort for no reward and on top of that a lot of the kids just can’t be arsed, or are unreliable or cause other issues.
Think about it, if someone came to you and said „hey how about we make your job a lot harder and complex for no payoff other than maybe a nice warm feeling that your doing good?“… Most people would tell them to f off. There needs to be incentive on both sides.
My son did a brick laying course at college, they don’t even help or try to connect them with employers . Getting an apprenticeship is really tough, in fact even getting any job as a young person is really difficult. My son applied for loads of positions in manufacturing and retail and barely got responses . It makes a mockery of the perception that British children are lazy and don’t want to work.
Realistically you have to accept dog shit wages for a long time to entice a company to take you on and keep you on, so it’s worth it for you.
I started out on £30 a day.
I’m qualified now and I made £3500 last week
My experience now is we get a lot of lads that are book qualified but you see them hold a drill or look at a drawing and you know that’s all they are, book qualified. Mostly useless on site