I really want to get rid of my online presence but its so hard. I have a friend who has no form of social media and his life is so good it makes me wonder what’s the point. He knows the big stuff that’s happening but everything else is basically alien to him. He lives life without worry, he doesn’t care about anything other than his own life. And to me thats powerful.
yourenotimportant- on
Good read.
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k0nstantine on
get a marketing degree and you’ll see they are just training you for psyops
amllx on
Certainly describes the front page of reddit
Nard_Bard on
Well, there is the core issue of the last 13 years.
Remember Kony 2012?
I swear that is when the „algorithm“ started FULLY taking over.
I swear that days before, I was just scrolling random rage comics. There was no big controversial news trends that the ENTIRE INTERNET talked about for weeks.
Then suddenly, Kony 2012:
It was like every human being on earth started having the unquenchable NEED to explain their moral beliefs to everyone. And hop on every bandwagon of hate or love possible. All the time.
I saw it all happening, aware mostly of what this post is talking about.
*But the* ***speed.***
The speed and rate of this change has been absolutely insane.
Once gamergate happened, I thought it would take multiple DECADES, to *really* affect the entire population.
Once Trump got in/stayed in, I thought ok, maybe only 1 or 2 decades.
Now I think it basically happened overnight to 90% of humans. And I was in denial. Between 2012-2017.
Community already died a decade before that.
Realistic-Morning-31 on
This is money.
CaptainTomato21 on
Isn’t that site a place controlled by the agencies?. Even when the site got hacked it was discovered that agents were working as admins.
mothwith on
Right on. I had this vague notion since i was a teenager that numbers are the top of the foodchain because of profit, but i barely had any idea how this played out in the world until the last few years.
Everything we created and know is mapped as data now. The data is a copy, but plugged in to any suggesting vessel manages to dictate to the original and influence how the original moves. Like a mirror that can take control of whatever is reflected in it, confusing and making the viewer copy what the mirror projects. We even act as these mirrors upon each other. The way our stuff shows up in the world is dictated by a computer through us from the top down, everything. A completely unconscious computer, runaway calculations, automatic fulfillments of things WE introduce from our LIMITED awareness, never from places of fulfilled consciousness, always from seeking to be told.
So the computer is controlling everything we created, but we are not the one’s choosing how we interact with it or why because we’re mostly being automatically reactionary and don’t break the pace and think for ourselves first. We should act according to our decisions based on thorough conscious reasoning, instead of according to pressures from culture and people, even to the exclusion of reading to find the answers in more cases than not. That takes independence, courage, determination, willingness to be vulnerable and to learn. Being in receptive conscious state without imposed designs, where you can actually find God.
Being automatically reactionary is a huge issue, and we’re reactionary for a lot of reasons, one of the biggest ones being that it’s so easy to trigger and control us through identity; the more strongly attached to identity we are the more automatically we defend it and ourselves when identity is scrutinised. Politics has been a powerful tool for locking people into identitys and what they will associate with and depend on, according to whether it flatters that identity or humiliates it (us).
Right now the unconscious remote control of algorithmns (some that were embedded so long ago they no longer need to be physically issued to engage us, theyre a part of how we automatically run in accordance to sociability) is shaping individuals and their interactions with one another, and controlling us through how we interact. Statistical profit data is „deciding“ how humans must behave to fulfill profit and actualise market potentials, using algorithmns to prompt how we engage to follow the route that leads to profits. But really it is US deciding to follow it, to engage, under influence. We have the freedom to disengage. But mostly we are afraid of the (usuaully social) consequences.
It (venture for profit) is just using everything we are made of against us all, to be against each other and against ourselves subconsciously undermining our own health. We barely know what we are made of, but the calculations have incorporated every single last bit of data that reflects what we are made of, to control us while we are unaware of how we work. We dont even notice it controlling us because we are so unfamiliar with what even makes us how we are, how our minds and bodies work.
My personal experience in education systems reserved for different classes of people has revealed to me that the more affluent/wealthy you are and the more exclusive circles you run in according to wealth and status, the more controlled you are. Everyone at every rung of society is caught up in this, but people with less exclusive/less restrictive associations are much closer to freedom and being capable of breaking out of automation, the level at which they engage in automation, while still saturating, is not nearly as entrenched, suffocating and drowning of full consciousness as the conditions rich and elite people exist under. There are DEEPER reasons why it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich person enter into the kingdom of heaven; they are just so much further away and actively walking in the opposite direction. The rest of us just get dragged into the gravity of their amassed control, which we add to by giving them our bodies and minds to use for their profit generation.
Solomon049 on
cultural collapse through recursion.
Solomon049 on
can any of you point me in the right direction i am writing a paper on human AI relationships and i have a meme archive and this is going in it with a huge write up about recursion existing pre-internet. any idea of where i can look to verify some of the claims written about here? im looking for early examples of semi autonomouos intelligence systems pre-internet like SAGE or PROMIS.
mothwith on
It’s not true that removal of the data loops would cause disaster. You can literally transfer and isolate all of this BS to a simulation, a game, and keep it running, with computer games mechanics, and it would be none the wiser. We could operate however we choose it’s just that many won’t know how to act if given no instructions, and those locked in to large scale processes will lose their assurances for outcomes, their control. So they’re not going to let go of this easily.
You can still run a business with paper and a pencil. They bought out millions of local businesses and replaced them with global franchises and degraded communities of the past few decades, but that can all be built back by CIVILISED SOCIETY.
laktes on
Yeah narrative this or that, the Centralbanks are still printing money and stealing the worth of our currencies.
dvorakoa on
Also the ending of MGS2 was so ahead of it’s time people thought Kojima lost his mind. Literally talking about meme warfare and cognitive overload, algorithms, ai news etc.
„When due process fails us, we really do live in a world of terror.“ – JC Denton
UniqueExplanation147 on
Anybody have the tldr version?
aygrol12 on
I still think the brain isn’t ready for so much change so fast
oneiross on
This is pretty much the AI speech from Metal Gear Solid 2, released back in 2001. It’s scary how accurate it predicted this.
Simulator_number17 on
Gosh! Ya’ll. I went through every single comment and the whole post. It was such a satisfactory read and then there were such beautifully articulated views on how things are going.
Tbh it actually felt like for the first time I’m in my tribe and we all are collectively looking at things together.
I can’t describe the JOY this is bringing to me.
I’m so happy that most of you all here can SEE and feel things and aren’t NPCs.
Loads and loads of love guys and it’s easy to slip away but keep this up. This feels good
waraguru on
This dude was watching too much Adam Curtis back in 2017 😀
Steady420 on
Neat.
Mattthefat on
So invest in successful companies dumping money into marketing??
JaneMichaelVincent on
We’re living in like a Late-Weimar Republic/Early-Bolshevik information ecosystem fed through Baudrillard’s Simulacra. A fast, opaque, self-feeding symbolic economy/culture that hollows out common reference points and rewards tribal, high-affect content.
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I really want to get rid of my online presence but its so hard. I have a friend who has no form of social media and his life is so good it makes me wonder what’s the point. He knows the big stuff that’s happening but everything else is basically alien to him. He lives life without worry, he doesn’t care about anything other than his own life. And to me thats powerful.
Good read.
[deleted]
get a marketing degree and you’ll see they are just training you for psyops
Certainly describes the front page of reddit
Well, there is the core issue of the last 13 years.
Remember Kony 2012?
I swear that is when the „algorithm“ started FULLY taking over.
I swear that days before, I was just scrolling random rage comics. There was no big controversial news trends that the ENTIRE INTERNET talked about for weeks.
Then suddenly, Kony 2012:
It was like every human being on earth started having the unquenchable NEED to explain their moral beliefs to everyone. And hop on every bandwagon of hate or love possible. All the time.
I saw it all happening, aware mostly of what this post is talking about.
*But the* ***speed.***
The speed and rate of this change has been absolutely insane.
Once gamergate happened, I thought it would take multiple DECADES, to *really* affect the entire population.
Once Trump got in/stayed in, I thought ok, maybe only 1 or 2 decades.
Now I think it basically happened overnight to 90% of humans. And I was in denial. Between 2012-2017.
Community already died a decade before that.
This is money.
Isn’t that site a place controlled by the agencies?. Even when the site got hacked it was discovered that agents were working as admins.
Right on. I had this vague notion since i was a teenager that numbers are the top of the foodchain because of profit, but i barely had any idea how this played out in the world until the last few years.
Everything we created and know is mapped as data now. The data is a copy, but plugged in to any suggesting vessel manages to dictate to the original and influence how the original moves. Like a mirror that can take control of whatever is reflected in it, confusing and making the viewer copy what the mirror projects. We even act as these mirrors upon each other. The way our stuff shows up in the world is dictated by a computer through us from the top down, everything. A completely unconscious computer, runaway calculations, automatic fulfillments of things WE introduce from our LIMITED awareness, never from places of fulfilled consciousness, always from seeking to be told.
So the computer is controlling everything we created, but we are not the one’s choosing how we interact with it or why because we’re mostly being automatically reactionary and don’t break the pace and think for ourselves first. We should act according to our decisions based on thorough conscious reasoning, instead of according to pressures from culture and people, even to the exclusion of reading to find the answers in more cases than not. That takes independence, courage, determination, willingness to be vulnerable and to learn. Being in receptive conscious state without imposed designs, where you can actually find God.
Being automatically reactionary is a huge issue, and we’re reactionary for a lot of reasons, one of the biggest ones being that it’s so easy to trigger and control us through identity; the more strongly attached to identity we are the more automatically we defend it and ourselves when identity is scrutinised. Politics has been a powerful tool for locking people into identitys and what they will associate with and depend on, according to whether it flatters that identity or humiliates it (us).
Right now the unconscious remote control of algorithmns (some that were embedded so long ago they no longer need to be physically issued to engage us, theyre a part of how we automatically run in accordance to sociability) is shaping individuals and their interactions with one another, and controlling us through how we interact. Statistical profit data is „deciding“ how humans must behave to fulfill profit and actualise market potentials, using algorithmns to prompt how we engage to follow the route that leads to profits. But really it is US deciding to follow it, to engage, under influence. We have the freedom to disengage. But mostly we are afraid of the (usuaully social) consequences.
It (venture for profit) is just using everything we are made of against us all, to be against each other and against ourselves subconsciously undermining our own health. We barely know what we are made of, but the calculations have incorporated every single last bit of data that reflects what we are made of, to control us while we are unaware of how we work. We dont even notice it controlling us because we are so unfamiliar with what even makes us how we are, how our minds and bodies work.
My personal experience in education systems reserved for different classes of people has revealed to me that the more affluent/wealthy you are and the more exclusive circles you run in according to wealth and status, the more controlled you are. Everyone at every rung of society is caught up in this, but people with less exclusive/less restrictive associations are much closer to freedom and being capable of breaking out of automation, the level at which they engage in automation, while still saturating, is not nearly as entrenched, suffocating and drowning of full consciousness as the conditions rich and elite people exist under. There are DEEPER reasons why it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich person enter into the kingdom of heaven; they are just so much further away and actively walking in the opposite direction. The rest of us just get dragged into the gravity of their amassed control, which we add to by giving them our bodies and minds to use for their profit generation.
cultural collapse through recursion.
can any of you point me in the right direction i am writing a paper on human AI relationships and i have a meme archive and this is going in it with a huge write up about recursion existing pre-internet. any idea of where i can look to verify some of the claims written about here? im looking for early examples of semi autonomouos intelligence systems pre-internet like SAGE or PROMIS.
It’s not true that removal of the data loops would cause disaster. You can literally transfer and isolate all of this BS to a simulation, a game, and keep it running, with computer games mechanics, and it would be none the wiser. We could operate however we choose it’s just that many won’t know how to act if given no instructions, and those locked in to large scale processes will lose their assurances for outcomes, their control. So they’re not going to let go of this easily.
You can still run a business with paper and a pencil. They bought out millions of local businesses and replaced them with global franchises and degraded communities of the past few decades, but that can all be built back by CIVILISED SOCIETY.
Yeah narrative this or that, the Centralbanks are still printing money and stealing the worth of our currencies.
Also the ending of MGS2 was so ahead of it’s time people thought Kojima lost his mind. Literally talking about meme warfare and cognitive overload, algorithms, ai news etc.
Good breakdown in this video ‚[Most Profound Moment in Gaming History](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYBod0ge3Y)‘
Subliminal.
„When due process fails us, we really do live in a world of terror.“ – JC Denton
Anybody have the tldr version?
I still think the brain isn’t ready for so much change so fast
This is pretty much the AI speech from Metal Gear Solid 2, released back in 2001. It’s scary how accurate it predicted this.
Gosh! Ya’ll. I went through every single comment and the whole post. It was such a satisfactory read and then there were such beautifully articulated views on how things are going.
Tbh it actually felt like for the first time I’m in my tribe and we all are collectively looking at things together.
I can’t describe the JOY this is bringing to me.
I’m so happy that most of you all here can SEE and feel things and aren’t NPCs.
Loads and loads of love guys and it’s easy to slip away but keep this up. This feels good
This dude was watching too much Adam Curtis back in 2017 😀
Neat.
So invest in successful companies dumping money into marketing??
We’re living in like a Late-Weimar Republic/Early-Bolshevik information ecosystem fed through Baudrillard’s Simulacra. A fast, opaque, self-feeding symbolic economy/culture that hollows out common reference points and rewards tribal, high-affect content.