I would appreciate less down voting and more responses to arguments you disagree with.
Thanks!
onehumanityonemind on
Impeach Trump
ChocoMilkMami on
Yeah, Kimmel got edgy, but that’s comedy for ya. It’s high time we stop cancelling every other thing that ruffles our feathers.
p8pes on
Watching a GOP sub like r/DeclineIntoCensorship deal with justifying this as okay is sad. It’s their big moment — you’d *think*.
The conditioning is wild.
Choice-of-SteinsGate on
The Trump administration and its allies are indeed exploiting Charlie Kirk’s death to justify censorship and crackdowns on their political opponents. Which is something Kimmel argued in so few words.
Conservatives are politicizing Kirk’s murder so they can establish a pretext to declare open war against „the left.“ This is clearly reflected in the president’s and his follower’s rhetoric and actions directly following the attack.
But what they fail to acknowledge is that they’ve been waging a war against their perceived enemies for years.
And while they have the audacity to suggest that they are merely bystanders, or even victims of this political climate and culture of division, violence and radicalization, they are—in reality—its primary enablers.
Try as they might, there’s no way for them to rationalize this blatantly unconstitutional maneuver.
Earlier on Wednesday, FCC chairman and Trump loyalist, Brendan Carr, publicly threatened to pressure ABC/Disney into suspending Kimmel during a podcast interview with far right caricature, Benny Johnson. Johnson is now applauding this move on social media.
From Carr himself:
> We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to take action on Kimmel, or there is going to be additional work for the FCC ahead
> Frankly I think it’s past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney, and say ‘We are going to preempt — we are not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out.’ It’s time for them to step up and say this garbage — to the extent that that’s what comes down the pipe in the future — isn’t something that serves the needs of our local communities.
Sinclair Broadcasting later praised Carr for his rhetoric, and encouraged the FCC to continue taking regulatory actions against national networks that don’t come to heel.
Sinclair is conservative owned and has a pretty notorious reputation for inserting pro Trump narratives and right wing propaganda into its broadcasts. Executives at Sinclair aren’t shy about it either, they even told Trump during one of his campaigns that „we are here to deliver your message.“
And now they’re replacing Kimmel’s time slot on Friday with a Charlie Kirk memorial special across its stations.
That said, it also wasn’t long ago that Donald Trump himself stated that Jimmy Kimmel was „next.“
And how he’s saying openly that broadcasters will risk losing their licenses if the hosts of these shows criticize him. This isn’t necessarily a shocking revelation, but Trump is clearly saying the quiet part out loud now.
This recent move against Kimmel can’t be justified as another „purely financial choice“ or explained away as some kind of independent decision made at the sole discretion of the company—the federal government directly intervened.
Not to mention that Nexstar, a major ABC affiliate group, is currently seeking an approval for an acquisition worth $6.2 billion—sound familiar?
Speaking of, this isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last case where the FCC applies regulatory pressures on media or news organizations that hurt Trump’s feelings or don’t toe the ideological line.
Imagine if this were the other way around—if a democratic administration had appointed a loyalist to head the FCC, and that person was publicly threatening networks and pressuring them into firing hosts or cancelling shows that broadcast negative news coverage and criticisms of the president. Conservatives would have a collective fit. They’d cry „tyranny!“ They’d likely issue threats of their own while demanding resignations, impeachments, even jail time.
And while some conservatives are trying to make excuses for this administration, others are openly cheering on the move.
The Trump administration has been defunding independent journalism; stifling the free press; aggressively eliminating oversight; threatening to revoke licenses and take regulatory actions against networks airing broadcasts that are unfavorable towards Trump—all while trying to silence Trump’s critics. So this may not come as a complete surprise, but it’s a clear indication of a pattern of suppression.
Trump, his supporters and cohorts have normalized these authoritarian measures. There’s no ambiguity here, the line between democracy and autocracy is no longer blurred.
Remember that these are the same people who have been crying about „cancel culture,“ „censorship,“ and „political persecution“ for years, claims that have often been exaggerated or outright baseless.
The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy is baffling. No, this goes behind mere hypocrisy, this is corruption, malice, cruelty…
And it’s not just because they’re enthusiastically employing the same kind of undemocratic methods that they’ve been accusing their political opponents of pursuing all these years, but it’s also because their accusations in the past have been largely irrational and fueled by their own culture wars and conspiracy theories.
They’ve relied so much on grievance politics and culture wars to depict themselves as victims of left wing tyranny, and now they’re abusing these notions to justify turning the tables on their enemies. In their minds, the oppressed have become the oppressors, but this is delusional of course.
I can only come to the conclusion that these people believe firmly that only *they* are entitled to the rights, freedoms and civil liberties that are guaranteed to them by the constitution. That only *they* are above the law when the circumstances call for it…
That only *they* have the privilege of violating constitutional freedoms, civil rights, and basic democratic norms in the name of „saving the nation“ from all of the imagined threats that are looming overhead or lurking around every corner.
That only *they* can lay claim to being so-called „patriots.“
That they are morally, culturally, ideologically, socially and sometimes racially superior, and that any challenge to this hierarchy is a crime in itself—an absolute indignity.
Only *they* are permitted to censor and suppress others, to exclude them, discriminate against them, and trespass on their rights. It is *their* country after all.
p8pes on
Very strong article, thank you for posting. Best piece of it is the link to this 2020 tweet which shows Carr’s assessment-at-the-time of the true value of satire: https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1230691428327723010
Wonder what Jonathon Swift would say about his turn of heart.
Quexana on
Nothing is illegal for the POTUS anymore.
SCOTUS said.
Kernburner on
It’s still a 1st Amendment violation even when you add an extra party and step to the process. Clearly it was coordinated and not in some weird conspiracy theory way.
gym_fun on
I see MAGA claimed „Jimmy Kimmel was actually violating broadcast hoax law by spreading blatantly false information about a crime. What he did was illegal. This is different from free speech.“
They are wrong.
——————
Jimmy Kimmel’s quote
>
“X desperately trying to characterize Y as not one of X” ≠ him saying “Y is one of X.”
He did not claim the shooter is one of MAGA. „MAGA’s desperation to distance themselves from the shooter“ is accurate information.
If you think his quotes implies „*shooter is one of MAGA*“:
So when „*Antifa desperately trying to characterize any Jan 6 protester as anything other than one of them*“ holds in reality, *any Jan 6 protester is one of Antifa*.
Antifa members are now designated terrorists. So any Jan 6 protester, as being one of Antifa, will also be designated terrorist. So why pardon terrorists?
——————
FCC’s involvement in corporate censorship is illegal.
mack_the_tanker on
And yet very few people will stand up to this party it’s always just a mildly worded letter or slightly furrowed brow. But at the end of the day nothing is going to change until some people grow a set and start fighting back.
eyes-of-light on
It’s called illegal suppression of FREE SPEECH bro. Let’s get it straight. Impeach Trump. I yield the remainder of my time, sir.
TimHuntsman on
Hello! We are NPR! We have never called out the “wrong” for being horrible law-breaking, Constitutional ass wiping scum. Then we lost our funding. So now we report of “jawboning” while the neo Nazi scum bags fist-bone us because we pretend to be impartial while ignoring the on the ground reality.
I’ve listened to NPR and contributed for decades. But your “leadership” helped get us into this shitstorm.
hcregna on
We can hope that the conservative SCOTUS does the right thing, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. If you have the time to scroll through reddit, you can spend like half an hour of planning to shift money away from Republican-leaning businesses. That actually does something. Every dollar spent at a Republican company is another dollar that’ll get funneled into more of this. Don’t fund the Confederacy.
If you have an account with Charles Schwab (whose founder was recently palling around with Trump), switch to Vanguard or Fidelity. If you like drinking booze from a Confederate state, be adventurous and try something else. Skip Goya at the grocery store. It’s not hard to quickly look up a company in something like [https://www.goodsuniteus.com](https://www.goodsuniteus.com/) or %5Bhttps://www.opensecrets.org%5D(https://www.opensecrets.org/).
Dollars add up. Tesla sales in Europe dropped by half in Europe. Jack Daniel’s sales dropped by over half in Canada. Real, individual people made that happen
Travelerdude on
Since when has this administration cared about legalities?
Rambaz_69 on
Dear Americans, why are you so upset? In Russia, Putin cannot be criticized by the media either. Anyone who does so ends up in prison or has a surprising accident or suddenly suffers heart failure. That’s how it will be in America in a few years, no matter how much you put your hand on your heart and sing your national anthem. You elected Trump, at least the majority of voters who went to the polls. So now you live with a dictator.
Frosty_Group2594 on
I upvoted this mostly because of the word “jawboning”. You just don’t see it in print that often.
RainbowandHoneybee on
I feel really scared that some people really don’t/won’t try to understand the meaning of this, and believe the reason being bad rating, he lied, whatever. Anything else than the truth to bury their head in the sand not to see what is actually happening.
If this gets normalised, we will all be affected in the end. And those who allign with right maybe targeted too, like some people despite being supporter, complaining about tariffs.
adminsrlying2u on
If only law mattered anymore. The US had a pretty good system, the problem now is that when it gets to the Supreme Court level not only does it not mean anything but it also has a sickeningly good chance of overriding all previous precedent with plain old corruption. It’s what happens when you allow Supreme Court judges to live by a different standard than the lower courts and pick them based on partisan decisions.
fatbunyip on
Lmao.
Ah yes the „legal experts“ and the „worrying development“ and the „may breach standards“ and wonderful new terminology like „jawboning“ bullshit.
This this is happening whether you like it or not. In whatever nice approved sanitized messaging package is decided. All the guardrails of the 3 branches and bullshit are in the dump being crushed into a nice cube of reality.
All the while you cling to the rotting carcass of checks and balances. Every new, desperate, grasp ripping another chunk of its fetid corpse in the vain hope that underneath the putrid remnants of the American Republic lies something worth holding on to.
You guys are fucked. You’re not accustomed to this kind of stuff. And a lot of you think this is gonna be solved in the next election.
It should never have come to this. But you wanted to tread the path others have gone down in the hope this time it’s gonna be different.
It’s not.
NotTobyFromHR on
It’s cute to think laws matter. Who is the authority on what is legal? And who enforced it? And who makes the laws?
tetsuo_7w on
Wait. This administration did something illegal? Oh, now they’re in for it!!!
McFlyyouBojo on
I am so fucking sick and tired of the „maybes“ „could bes“ „potentiallies“ and all the other milquetoast half wayisms when it comes to this regime. Just say it is or shut the fuck up.
RealisticPush3204 on
Really. Thats hilarious. People get fired all the time with no just cause or real reason given. Why don’t you all fight for them. The poor. The destitute. Last time I checked Kimmel isn’t poor nor destitute from losing his job. Why don’t you all care more for your own people. Than this rich idiot who will never know what being truly poor and getting fired for no reason is like. You are all caring about the wrong fucking people. Once again. Let’s focus on the rich fucking fucks. And fuck the poor.
MySixHourErection on
wtf is this “may” shit? There’s no may about it. Stop equivocating about blatant violations of the law.
dr97ak on
Nothing worse in politics than a jawboner
spqrnbb on
Taking directions from the jawbone of an ass?
ColdWarRedux2 on
Its worth **15 BILLION** at least:
Bantam Books v. Sullivan (1963): Government cannot use regulatory threats to suppress protected speech.
FCC v. League of Women Voters (1984): FCC cannot condition licenses or benefits on broadcasters’ editorial decisions.
O’Hare Truck Service v. City of Northlake (1996): Government officials may not retaliate against contractors or employees for political speech.
42 U.S.C. §1983: Provides a federal cause of action to sue officials who, under color of law, violate constitutional rights such as the First Amendment.
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There is no „illegal“ anymore.
So Kimmel got jawboned by Trump?…
I would appreciate less down voting and more responses to arguments you disagree with.
Thanks!
Impeach Trump
Yeah, Kimmel got edgy, but that’s comedy for ya. It’s high time we stop cancelling every other thing that ruffles our feathers.
Watching a GOP sub like r/DeclineIntoCensorship deal with justifying this as okay is sad. It’s their big moment — you’d *think*.
The conditioning is wild.
The Trump administration and its allies are indeed exploiting Charlie Kirk’s death to justify censorship and crackdowns on their political opponents. Which is something Kimmel argued in so few words.
Conservatives are politicizing Kirk’s murder so they can establish a pretext to declare open war against „the left.“ This is clearly reflected in the president’s and his follower’s rhetoric and actions directly following the attack.
But what they fail to acknowledge is that they’ve been waging a war against their perceived enemies for years.
And while they have the audacity to suggest that they are merely bystanders, or even victims of this political climate and culture of division, violence and radicalization, they are—in reality—its primary enablers.
Try as they might, there’s no way for them to rationalize this blatantly unconstitutional maneuver.
Earlier on Wednesday, FCC chairman and Trump loyalist, Brendan Carr, publicly threatened to pressure ABC/Disney into suspending Kimmel during a podcast interview with far right caricature, Benny Johnson. Johnson is now applauding this move on social media.
From Carr himself:
> We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to take action on Kimmel, or there is going to be additional work for the FCC ahead
> Frankly I think it’s past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney, and say ‘We are going to preempt — we are not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out.’ It’s time for them to step up and say this garbage — to the extent that that’s what comes down the pipe in the future — isn’t something that serves the needs of our local communities.
Sinclair Broadcasting later praised Carr for his rhetoric, and encouraged the FCC to continue taking regulatory actions against national networks that don’t come to heel.
Sinclair is conservative owned and has a pretty notorious reputation for inserting pro Trump narratives and right wing propaganda into its broadcasts. Executives at Sinclair aren’t shy about it either, they even told Trump during one of his campaigns that „we are here to deliver your message.“
And now they’re replacing Kimmel’s time slot on Friday with a Charlie Kirk memorial special across its stations.
That said, it also wasn’t long ago that Donald Trump himself stated that Jimmy Kimmel was „next.“
And how he’s saying openly that broadcasters will risk losing their licenses if the hosts of these shows criticize him. This isn’t necessarily a shocking revelation, but Trump is clearly saying the quiet part out loud now.
This recent move against Kimmel can’t be justified as another „purely financial choice“ or explained away as some kind of independent decision made at the sole discretion of the company—the federal government directly intervened.
Not to mention that Nexstar, a major ABC affiliate group, is currently seeking an approval for an acquisition worth $6.2 billion—sound familiar?
Speaking of, this isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last case where the FCC applies regulatory pressures on media or news organizations that hurt Trump’s feelings or don’t toe the ideological line.
Imagine if this were the other way around—if a democratic administration had appointed a loyalist to head the FCC, and that person was publicly threatening networks and pressuring them into firing hosts or cancelling shows that broadcast negative news coverage and criticisms of the president. Conservatives would have a collective fit. They’d cry „tyranny!“ They’d likely issue threats of their own while demanding resignations, impeachments, even jail time.
And while some conservatives are trying to make excuses for this administration, others are openly cheering on the move.
The Trump administration has been defunding independent journalism; stifling the free press; aggressively eliminating oversight; threatening to revoke licenses and take regulatory actions against networks airing broadcasts that are unfavorable towards Trump—all while trying to silence Trump’s critics. So this may not come as a complete surprise, but it’s a clear indication of a pattern of suppression.
Trump, his supporters and cohorts have normalized these authoritarian measures. There’s no ambiguity here, the line between democracy and autocracy is no longer blurred.
Remember that these are the same people who have been crying about „cancel culture,“ „censorship,“ and „political persecution“ for years, claims that have often been exaggerated or outright baseless.
The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy is baffling. No, this goes behind mere hypocrisy, this is corruption, malice, cruelty…
And it’s not just because they’re enthusiastically employing the same kind of undemocratic methods that they’ve been accusing their political opponents of pursuing all these years, but it’s also because their accusations in the past have been largely irrational and fueled by their own culture wars and conspiracy theories.
They’ve relied so much on grievance politics and culture wars to depict themselves as victims of left wing tyranny, and now they’re abusing these notions to justify turning the tables on their enemies. In their minds, the oppressed have become the oppressors, but this is delusional of course.
I can only come to the conclusion that these people believe firmly that only *they* are entitled to the rights, freedoms and civil liberties that are guaranteed to them by the constitution. That only *they* are above the law when the circumstances call for it…
That only *they* have the privilege of violating constitutional freedoms, civil rights, and basic democratic norms in the name of „saving the nation“ from all of the imagined threats that are looming overhead or lurking around every corner.
Threats to *their* freedoms, *their* rights, *their* liberties, *their* country—not *our* country.
That only *they* can lay claim to being so-called „patriots.“
That they are morally, culturally, ideologically, socially and sometimes racially superior, and that any challenge to this hierarchy is a crime in itself—an absolute indignity.
Only *they* are permitted to censor and suppress others, to exclude them, discriminate against them, and trespass on their rights. It is *their* country after all.
Very strong article, thank you for posting. Best piece of it is the link to this 2020 tweet which shows Carr’s assessment-at-the-time of the true value of satire: https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1230691428327723010
Wonder what Jonathon Swift would say about his turn of heart.
Nothing is illegal for the POTUS anymore.
SCOTUS said.
It’s still a 1st Amendment violation even when you add an extra party and step to the process. Clearly it was coordinated and not in some weird conspiracy theory way.
I see MAGA claimed „Jimmy Kimmel was actually violating broadcast hoax law by spreading blatantly false information about a crime. What he did was illegal. This is different from free speech.“
They are wrong.
——————
Jimmy Kimmel’s quote
>
“X desperately trying to characterize Y as not one of X” ≠ him saying “Y is one of X.”
He did not claim the shooter is one of MAGA. „MAGA’s desperation to distance themselves from the shooter“ is accurate information.
If you think his quotes implies „*shooter is one of MAGA*“:
So when „*Antifa desperately trying to characterize any Jan 6 protester as anything other than one of them*“ holds in reality, *any Jan 6 protester is one of Antifa*.
Antifa members are now designated terrorists. So any Jan 6 protester, as being one of Antifa, will also be designated terrorist. So why pardon terrorists?
——————
FCC’s involvement in corporate censorship is illegal.
And yet very few people will stand up to this party it’s always just a mildly worded letter or slightly furrowed brow. But at the end of the day nothing is going to change until some people grow a set and start fighting back.
It’s called illegal suppression of FREE SPEECH bro. Let’s get it straight. Impeach Trump. I yield the remainder of my time, sir.
Hello! We are NPR! We have never called out the “wrong” for being horrible law-breaking, Constitutional ass wiping scum. Then we lost our funding. So now we report of “jawboning” while the neo Nazi scum bags fist-bone us because we pretend to be impartial while ignoring the on the ground reality.
I’ve listened to NPR and contributed for decades. But your “leadership” helped get us into this shitstorm.
We can hope that the conservative SCOTUS does the right thing, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. If you have the time to scroll through reddit, you can spend like half an hour of planning to shift money away from Republican-leaning businesses. That actually does something. Every dollar spent at a Republican company is another dollar that’ll get funneled into more of this. Don’t fund the Confederacy.
If you have an account with Charles Schwab (whose founder was recently palling around with Trump), switch to Vanguard or Fidelity. If you like drinking booze from a Confederate state, be adventurous and try something else. Skip Goya at the grocery store. It’s not hard to quickly look up a company in something like [https://www.goodsuniteus.com](https://www.goodsuniteus.com/) or %5Bhttps://www.opensecrets.org%5D(https://www.opensecrets.org/).
Dollars add up. Tesla sales in Europe dropped by half in Europe. Jack Daniel’s sales dropped by over half in Canada. Real, individual people made that happen
Since when has this administration cared about legalities?
Dear Americans, why are you so upset? In Russia, Putin cannot be criticized by the media either. Anyone who does so ends up in prison or has a surprising accident or suddenly suffers heart failure. That’s how it will be in America in a few years, no matter how much you put your hand on your heart and sing your national anthem. You elected Trump, at least the majority of voters who went to the polls. So now you live with a dictator.
I upvoted this mostly because of the word “jawboning”. You just don’t see it in print that often.
I feel really scared that some people really don’t/won’t try to understand the meaning of this, and believe the reason being bad rating, he lied, whatever. Anything else than the truth to bury their head in the sand not to see what is actually happening.
If this gets normalised, we will all be affected in the end. And those who allign with right maybe targeted too, like some people despite being supporter, complaining about tariffs.
If only law mattered anymore. The US had a pretty good system, the problem now is that when it gets to the Supreme Court level not only does it not mean anything but it also has a sickeningly good chance of overriding all previous precedent with plain old corruption. It’s what happens when you allow Supreme Court judges to live by a different standard than the lower courts and pick them based on partisan decisions.
Lmao.
Ah yes the „legal experts“ and the „worrying development“ and the „may breach standards“ and wonderful new terminology like „jawboning“ bullshit.
This this is happening whether you like it or not. In whatever nice approved sanitized messaging package is decided. All the guardrails of the 3 branches and bullshit are in the dump being crushed into a nice cube of reality.
All the while you cling to the rotting carcass of checks and balances. Every new, desperate, grasp ripping another chunk of its fetid corpse in the vain hope that underneath the putrid remnants of the American Republic lies something worth holding on to.
You guys are fucked. You’re not accustomed to this kind of stuff. And a lot of you think this is gonna be solved in the next election.
It should never have come to this. But you wanted to tread the path others have gone down in the hope this time it’s gonna be different.
It’s not.
It’s cute to think laws matter. Who is the authority on what is legal? And who enforced it? And who makes the laws?
Wait. This administration did something illegal? Oh, now they’re in for it!!!
I am so fucking sick and tired of the „maybes“ „could bes“ „potentiallies“ and all the other milquetoast half wayisms when it comes to this regime. Just say it is or shut the fuck up.
Really. Thats hilarious. People get fired all the time with no just cause or real reason given. Why don’t you all fight for them. The poor. The destitute. Last time I checked Kimmel isn’t poor nor destitute from losing his job. Why don’t you all care more for your own people. Than this rich idiot who will never know what being truly poor and getting fired for no reason is like. You are all caring about the wrong fucking people. Once again. Let’s focus on the rich fucking fucks. And fuck the poor.
wtf is this “may” shit? There’s no may about it. Stop equivocating about blatant violations of the law.
Nothing worse in politics than a jawboner
Taking directions from the jawbone of an ass?
Its worth **15 BILLION** at least:
Bantam Books v. Sullivan (1963): Government cannot use regulatory threats to suppress protected speech.
FCC v. League of Women Voters (1984): FCC cannot condition licenses or benefits on broadcasters’ editorial decisions.
O’Hare Truck Service v. City of Northlake (1996): Government officials may not retaliate against contractors or employees for political speech.
42 U.S.C. §1983: Provides a federal cause of action to sue officials who, under color of law, violate constitutional rights such as the First Amendment.