Don’t worry I’m sure some mad NHS bod will appear in the comments momentarily to remind us of how it was the parents”/the little girl’s fault
ParadoxSolution on
There’s absolutely no excuse for this. Signs of sepsis and ‚consider if the patient could be septic‘ have be drummed into training again and again for years.
„A report later found a sepsis screening tool was completed during an initial assessment and “recorded signs that should have triggered an urgent sepsis review”.“
They even carried out the screening and still failed to act! Incredible that these tools are brought in to fix the repeated failures and then just get ignored.
Spade-Collector on
Article heavily applies mum self-discharged and the classic use of the now non-specific term of ‚medics‘, which journalism increasingly uses to hide the fact it was a non doctor role like an ACP or CNS. Journalism is always garbage with these tragic stories and always leaves significant gaps
Express-Doughnut-562 on
There was alarming case in the news where a hospital in Chester was undergoing a CQC inspection and the inspector had to point out to Drs that a patient had sepsis. How the hell does that happen?
Distinct-Quantity-46 on
She probably didn’t have sepsis at the time she was initially assessed, mum took her home and hours later she was dead, no blame on mum taking her home but she should have stayed there so she could be monitored and the deterioration would have been picked up before it was too late
She’s suing the hospital for negligence, all that happens in these cases is the family get a big payout, hospitals insurance costs increases massively, taxpayer picks up the bill, child is still dead.
The bottom line is hospitals need more medical and nursing staff, the few there are working in absolutely horrific conditions, none of them go to work to miss things like this, it’s tragic
Sad_Soup6474 on
seems like the mother decided to leave the a&e despite the worsening condition, she herself describing it as „manic“ that she chose to do such.
i dont see how the doctors are at fault when she decided to leave. she could have stayed and got her assessed more thoroughly. the hospital cant do an assessment for sepsis without a patient present.
i know if my kid was that obviously ill, I’d keep them in a&e until they were properly seen. i definitely would not chance it by just going home, because this stuff happens.
Master_Button_2593 on
This is tragic – all the more so because she actually triggered the sepsis alert. I know A&E gets busy but that’s no excuse. My heart goes out to her parents ❤️
Mister_Funktastic on
„Mum was concerned by the long wait and took her daughter home.“
If she’d done what she was told and kept her daughter in hospital, she would likely still be alive. Its obviously not her fault, there were issues with the service she received by the overwhelmed service, but taking her child home when she’d been told she needed medical care was downright negligent. You don’t prioritise comfort over health when you’ve been told to go to hospital. That’s always a recipe for disaster.
sadelnotsaddle on
An absolutely tragic series of events – coverage brought to you by the cheerleader in chief of the administration that brought you the NHS in decline.
sillysimon92 on
I wonder if there are any reasons why we can’t have a children’s only triage at a&e’s
Also a quick look into sepsis reminded me of the terrifying fact of antibiotics resistance. Sepsis will grow to be a scary thing in our lifetimes! Especially for children.
NurseRatched96 on
The parents decided to leave before she got treatment, why have they sued the trust ?!
monkeybrains13 on
Mom made the decision to send her home. Nurse made a wrong call. You wonder how many kids go to the emergency department with similar symptoms and are fine.
charlottekeery on
I really don’t want to sound like a heartless arsehole here, this is absolutely tragic.
However, by the sounds of it, this was caused by multiple factors.
Yes the NHS is crippled but also, mistakes happen.
Unfortunate oversights happen, even in a functioning system.
It sounds more like she wasn’t presenting with severe symptoms and things progressed quickly.
More should have obviously been done, but sometimes these cases are tricky to assess.
Quirky-Zucchini-3250 on
Absolutely would not have taken my child home regardless of how busy it was.
TheL0wKing on
I feel it is necessary to point out that this happened on Saturday the 3rd December 2022. A host of articles have popped up regarding the incident because the mother is now suing the Trust. All of the information, including the claimed references to the Trust’s own investigation, come from the mother and her lawyers. Any information needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
From searching around for some more information, there was a viral outbreak going on and the paediatric department was overwhelmed by parents bringing their children in (on a Saturday evening as well). The child was (too quickly) checked by a nurse who believed it to be a viral infection (like the others), asked the mother to get a urine sample and told them they would be reassessed in an hour. The mother then chose to go home because the conditions were distressing and she didn’t think they could help (her words in the inquest).
Solidus27 on
Lots of medical staff on this thread defending obviously poor quality care I see…seems to happen in every thread about poor quality care in the NHs
EnPassanTuah on
Frontline doctors and nurses are heroes, doing their best under immense pressure from overwhelming workloads and systemic issues. Many are still in training, juggling coursework and exams.
It’s easy to blame individuals when tragedies like this occur, but mistakes happen under such strain. They’re not malicious. Pointing fingers at a single doctor or nurse risks ruining a career that could save countless lives in the future. (If a newly qualified doctor makes a rare mistake, should they be struck off forever?)
The real issue is the system putting these workers under unbearable pressure. UK doctors and nurses could earn multiples of their NHS salaries abraod, yet they stay here for their families, friends and patients.
We need to fix the NHS, not vilify its workers who make genuine mistakes under pressure.
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Don’t worry I’m sure some mad NHS bod will appear in the comments momentarily to remind us of how it was the parents”/the little girl’s fault
There’s absolutely no excuse for this. Signs of sepsis and ‚consider if the patient could be septic‘ have be drummed into training again and again for years.
„A report later found a sepsis screening tool was completed during an initial assessment and “recorded signs that should have triggered an urgent sepsis review”.“
They even carried out the screening and still failed to act! Incredible that these tools are brought in to fix the repeated failures and then just get ignored.
Article heavily applies mum self-discharged and the classic use of the now non-specific term of ‚medics‘, which journalism increasingly uses to hide the fact it was a non doctor role like an ACP or CNS. Journalism is always garbage with these tragic stories and always leaves significant gaps
There was alarming case in the news where a hospital in Chester was undergoing a CQC inspection and the inspector had to point out to Drs that a patient had sepsis. How the hell does that happen?
She probably didn’t have sepsis at the time she was initially assessed, mum took her home and hours later she was dead, no blame on mum taking her home but she should have stayed there so she could be monitored and the deterioration would have been picked up before it was too late
She’s suing the hospital for negligence, all that happens in these cases is the family get a big payout, hospitals insurance costs increases massively, taxpayer picks up the bill, child is still dead.
The bottom line is hospitals need more medical and nursing staff, the few there are working in absolutely horrific conditions, none of them go to work to miss things like this, it’s tragic
seems like the mother decided to leave the a&e despite the worsening condition, she herself describing it as „manic“ that she chose to do such.
i dont see how the doctors are at fault when she decided to leave. she could have stayed and got her assessed more thoroughly. the hospital cant do an assessment for sepsis without a patient present.
i know if my kid was that obviously ill, I’d keep them in a&e until they were properly seen. i definitely would not chance it by just going home, because this stuff happens.
This is tragic – all the more so because she actually triggered the sepsis alert. I know A&E gets busy but that’s no excuse. My heart goes out to her parents ❤️
„Mum was concerned by the long wait and took her daughter home.“
If she’d done what she was told and kept her daughter in hospital, she would likely still be alive. Its obviously not her fault, there were issues with the service she received by the overwhelmed service, but taking her child home when she’d been told she needed medical care was downright negligent. You don’t prioritise comfort over health when you’ve been told to go to hospital. That’s always a recipe for disaster.
An absolutely tragic series of events – coverage brought to you by the cheerleader in chief of the administration that brought you the NHS in decline.
I wonder if there are any reasons why we can’t have a children’s only triage at a&e’s
Also a quick look into sepsis reminded me of the terrifying fact of antibiotics resistance. Sepsis will grow to be a scary thing in our lifetimes! Especially for children.
The parents decided to leave before she got treatment, why have they sued the trust ?!
Mom made the decision to send her home. Nurse made a wrong call. You wonder how many kids go to the emergency department with similar symptoms and are fine.
I really don’t want to sound like a heartless arsehole here, this is absolutely tragic.
However, by the sounds of it, this was caused by multiple factors.
Yes the NHS is crippled but also, mistakes happen.
Unfortunate oversights happen, even in a functioning system.
It sounds more like she wasn’t presenting with severe symptoms and things progressed quickly.
More should have obviously been done, but sometimes these cases are tricky to assess.
Absolutely would not have taken my child home regardless of how busy it was.
I feel it is necessary to point out that this happened on Saturday the 3rd December 2022. A host of articles have popped up regarding the incident because the mother is now suing the Trust. All of the information, including the claimed references to the Trust’s own investigation, come from the mother and her lawyers. Any information needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
From searching around for some more information, there was a viral outbreak going on and the paediatric department was overwhelmed by parents bringing their children in (on a Saturday evening as well). The child was (too quickly) checked by a nurse who believed it to be a viral infection (like the others), asked the mother to get a urine sample and told them they would be reassessed in an hour. The mother then chose to go home because the conditions were distressing and she didn’t think they could help (her words in the inquest).
Lots of medical staff on this thread defending obviously poor quality care I see…seems to happen in every thread about poor quality care in the NHs
Frontline doctors and nurses are heroes, doing their best under immense pressure from overwhelming workloads and systemic issues. Many are still in training, juggling coursework and exams.
It’s easy to blame individuals when tragedies like this occur, but mistakes happen under such strain. They’re not malicious. Pointing fingers at a single doctor or nurse risks ruining a career that could save countless lives in the future. (If a newly qualified doctor makes a rare mistake, should they be struck off forever?)
The real issue is the system putting these workers under unbearable pressure. UK doctors and nurses could earn multiples of their NHS salaries abraod, yet they stay here for their families, friends and patients.
We need to fix the NHS, not vilify its workers who make genuine mistakes under pressure.