This is in light of Reform saying they’d scrap Labour’s plans for Northern Powerhouse Rail, if they were to be elected
Sea-Caterpillar-255 on
I support not deciding these things “in principle” but on a case by case basis. Because new railway projects aren’t a matter of principle are they? We shouldn’t either build all or none of them right? And no one should care what survey results say because people are morons and whether an infrastructure project is a good idea isn’t a matter of public mood or popularity. It’s economics and risk analysis and engineering.
I support doing a cost benefit analysis and accepting the results. That way we won’t waste as much money on white elephants.
I actually think the funding model from Crossrail is the best approach.
PsychologySpecific16 on
Support it but we need to have a ministerial veto on planning and environmental regs. No more bloody bat tunnels or underground sections pushing up costs just build it.
laredocronk on
It’s easy to support things *in principle*.
But once you ask people how much extra tax they’re willing to pay to fund it, or how happy they are with the line going past *their* house, or living with the disruption from construction for a few years….the results will be rather different.
Just like how many people are in favour of more housebuilding *in principle*, but always find reasons to object to it in reality.
Visual_Seaweed8292 on
The UK isn’t that bug so speed isn’t an issue. Its the cost of the train that the issue. Even for longer trips like London to Edinburgh a train is never going to be as convenient or fast as a flight which costs a fraction.
0Bento on
I support governments making infrastructure decisions and then future governments continuing what’s already been started without chopping and changing
Glad_Librarian_3553 on
Reinstate canals for logistics instead. Frees up railway capacity for pedestrians, frees up roads for private vehicles. Win win!
Weird-Statistician on
I support it in general but the cost is enormous and we are incredibly bad at budgeting these things so the costs spiral even more.
andrew0256 on
I do support this proposal. Connectivity is vital to today’s economy and lifestyles. That said it must not become an ego trip for politicians and a cash cow for civil engineering consortia.
We should not be ashamed to use the best experience from around the world in terms of engineering the line and controlling costs.
frontendben on
Very much so. We need to get people out of cars when travelling between cities and we also need to get more freight on train. Both of those things can only be achieved with new lines.
SunBlowsUpToday on
Oppose, the longer I can stay out of Leeds the better.
wappingite on
Joining city centres to make a single economic area would make sense. Manchester and Liverpool should be ten minutes apart by high speed rail
no_fooling on
Infrastructure is a proven way to stimulate an economy and effectively spend govt money
InsecureInscapist on
Anyone who opposes this and lives in the North is a turkey who just loves voting for Christmas.
Don’t worry Reform voters, Farage will fatten you up good with a nice diet of bullshit, before he sells you out.
bvimo on
I would much prefer new high-speed rail lines in the South. Joining cities like Chichester and London. I guess you’d have to plough through Petworth and Haslemere – so nothing much would be lost.
Past-Attempt1145 on
Support, big time, do something for the North, address the N/S divide by investing massively on Northern infrastructure
Were using railways that are essentially 200 years old…. Imagine if the Victorians were like us. We’d have absolutely no train options. It’s a 200 year infrastructure project we should complete it in full and maybe expand the scope otherwise it’s pointless.
pickering_lachute on
Support on my assumption that it could better connect 8 million people across Sheff, Leeds, Manc and Liverpool, and there would be large economic benefits to doing that.
SignalButterscotch73 on
Having a modern and functional rail network that can reduce the number of vehicles on our roads needs to be a priority for all parties, but it can’t become a haphazard mess like HS2.
Everything needs to be planned beforehand, even wildlife corridors or bat tunnels. The biggest failing with HS2 was that they tried to do it piecemeal, a hybrid bill so that not a single part of the plan was final, it led to a too many cooks situation with none of the budget estimates being anything close to accurate.
nof---sgiven on
Support, but we also need to not bulldoze people’s lives or destroy parts of our country to do it. These things need creative solutions.
It’ll cost, lets except that and stop letting news outlets kill the project because they want to get people emotional.
If we had a fast an effective high-speed rail network it would balance some of the inequality in the UK, and overall, pay for itself again and again. Same the the railnetwork did before we fucked that up.
Infrastructure allows us to grow.
Tall-Photo-7481 on
Strongly support. Infrastructure is the difference between a successful state and a shit one.
Longsock8 on
Just get what we have working efficiently and then think about it.
crucible on
Support it – upgrading lines like the TransPennine route and building a new Liverpool – Manchester line will give the North of England the connectivity it so desperately needs, and hopefully make the case for the Birmingham – Manchester leg of HS2
Ill_Temporary_9509 on
I’m for it, but will anyone be able to afford to use it?
kinygos on
Support it 100%, and I’m from the South East. The public transport infrastructure up North is a joke. If politicians had to use it, it would be in a much better state. They should’ve started building HS2 from the North terminals; at least there would’ve been something useful by now.
irv81 on
Support.
Our city links up north are terrible.
I live in Newcastle and I can get to London 15 minutes quicker than Manchester but I’ve done more business in Manchester in the last decade than I have in London, it’s ridiculous.
Manchester should be achievable in half the time.
WastelandWiganer on
At this stage I’d take a fricking snail speed rail line if it turned up when it was meant to.
Had some Londoners at our station a few weeks back when the train was cancelled. They pitched a fit when we told them it would be two hours til the next train when one was cancelled.
Hot_Growth_9643 on
IMO they should not have built the London to Birmingham bit, and only built the northern part
Cakeski on
How dare The North get anything nice, bring back bendy busses for Londin!
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This is in light of Reform saying they’d scrap Labour’s plans for Northern Powerhouse Rail, if they were to be elected
I support not deciding these things “in principle” but on a case by case basis. Because new railway projects aren’t a matter of principle are they? We shouldn’t either build all or none of them right? And no one should care what survey results say because people are morons and whether an infrastructure project is a good idea isn’t a matter of public mood or popularity. It’s economics and risk analysis and engineering.
I support doing a cost benefit analysis and accepting the results. That way we won’t waste as much money on white elephants.
I actually think the funding model from Crossrail is the best approach.
Support it but we need to have a ministerial veto on planning and environmental regs. No more bloody bat tunnels or underground sections pushing up costs just build it.
It’s easy to support things *in principle*.
But once you ask people how much extra tax they’re willing to pay to fund it, or how happy they are with the line going past *their* house, or living with the disruption from construction for a few years….the results will be rather different.
Just like how many people are in favour of more housebuilding *in principle*, but always find reasons to object to it in reality.
The UK isn’t that bug so speed isn’t an issue. Its the cost of the train that the issue. Even for longer trips like London to Edinburgh a train is never going to be as convenient or fast as a flight which costs a fraction.
I support governments making infrastructure decisions and then future governments continuing what’s already been started without chopping and changing
Reinstate canals for logistics instead. Frees up railway capacity for pedestrians, frees up roads for private vehicles. Win win!
I support it in general but the cost is enormous and we are incredibly bad at budgeting these things so the costs spiral even more.
I do support this proposal. Connectivity is vital to today’s economy and lifestyles. That said it must not become an ego trip for politicians and a cash cow for civil engineering consortia.
We should not be ashamed to use the best experience from around the world in terms of engineering the line and controlling costs.
Very much so. We need to get people out of cars when travelling between cities and we also need to get more freight on train. Both of those things can only be achieved with new lines.
Oppose, the longer I can stay out of Leeds the better.
Joining city centres to make a single economic area would make sense. Manchester and Liverpool should be ten minutes apart by high speed rail
Infrastructure is a proven way to stimulate an economy and effectively spend govt money
Anyone who opposes this and lives in the North is a turkey who just loves voting for Christmas.
Don’t worry Reform voters, Farage will fatten you up good with a nice diet of bullshit, before he sells you out.
I would much prefer new high-speed rail lines in the South. Joining cities like Chichester and London. I guess you’d have to plough through Petworth and Haslemere – so nothing much would be lost.
Support, big time, do something for the North, address the N/S divide by investing massively on Northern infrastructure
Yes better, reliable, reasonably priced railways connecting northern cities are badly needed
Were using railways that are essentially 200 years old…. Imagine if the Victorians were like us. We’d have absolutely no train options. It’s a 200 year infrastructure project we should complete it in full and maybe expand the scope otherwise it’s pointless.
Support on my assumption that it could better connect 8 million people across Sheff, Leeds, Manc and Liverpool, and there would be large economic benefits to doing that.
Having a modern and functional rail network that can reduce the number of vehicles on our roads needs to be a priority for all parties, but it can’t become a haphazard mess like HS2.
Everything needs to be planned beforehand, even wildlife corridors or bat tunnels. The biggest failing with HS2 was that they tried to do it piecemeal, a hybrid bill so that not a single part of the plan was final, it led to a too many cooks situation with none of the budget estimates being anything close to accurate.
Support, but we also need to not bulldoze people’s lives or destroy parts of our country to do it. These things need creative solutions.
It’ll cost, lets except that and stop letting news outlets kill the project because they want to get people emotional.
If we had a fast an effective high-speed rail network it would balance some of the inequality in the UK, and overall, pay for itself again and again. Same the the railnetwork did before we fucked that up.
Infrastructure allows us to grow.
Strongly support. Infrastructure is the difference between a successful state and a shit one.
Just get what we have working efficiently and then think about it.
Support it – upgrading lines like the TransPennine route and building a new Liverpool – Manchester line will give the North of England the connectivity it so desperately needs, and hopefully make the case for the Birmingham – Manchester leg of HS2
I’m for it, but will anyone be able to afford to use it?
Support it 100%, and I’m from the South East. The public transport infrastructure up North is a joke. If politicians had to use it, it would be in a much better state. They should’ve started building HS2 from the North terminals; at least there would’ve been something useful by now.
Support.
Our city links up north are terrible.
I live in Newcastle and I can get to London 15 minutes quicker than Manchester but I’ve done more business in Manchester in the last decade than I have in London, it’s ridiculous.
Manchester should be achievable in half the time.
At this stage I’d take a fricking snail speed rail line if it turned up when it was meant to.
Had some Londoners at our station a few weeks back when the train was cancelled. They pitched a fit when we told them it would be two hours til the next train when one was cancelled.
IMO they should not have built the London to Birmingham bit, and only built the northern part
How dare The North get anything nice, bring back bendy busses for Londin!