The Roberts Court allows the associate justices to take bribes.
Redshirt_Welshy_Nooo on
If America ever rebounds from this, he will be the single most reviled American of the 21st century in future history books. Maybe 20th and previous, too.
The single most important actor in the undermining of American democracy *AND* jurisprudence as a discipline.
[deleted] on
I feel like all the headlines on Reddit are written by Captain Obvious.
MrBrawn on
One thing I thought i could count on Roberts for is preserving the power of the court. Nowadays, im not so sure.
Inevitable-Ad9760 on
Have any been implicated in Epstein? Oh yeah Kavanaugh had his own history
pjflyr13 on
Why life terms is nonsense.
gradientz on
Senator Barack Obama, speaking at John Roberts confirmation hearing in 2005:
> The problem I face — a problem that has been voiced by some of my other colleagues, both those who are voting for Mr. Roberts and those who are voting against Mr. Roberts — is that while adherence to legal precedent and rules of statutory or constitutional construction will dispose of 95 percent of the cases that come before a court, so that both a Scalia and a Ginsburg will arrive at the same place most of the time on those 95 percent of the cases — what matters on the Supreme Court is those 5 percent of cases that are truly difficult. In those cases, adherence to precedent and rules of construction and interpretation will only get you through the 25th mile of the marathon. That last mile can only be determined on the basis of one’s deepest values, one’s core concerns, one’s broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one’s empathy.
> In those 5 percent of hard cases, the constitutional text will not be directly on point. The language of the statute will not be perfectly clear. Legal process alone will not lead you to a rule of decision. In those circumstances, your decisions about whether affirmative action is an appropriate response to the history of discrimination in this country or whether a general right of privacy encompasses a more specific right of women to control their reproductive decisions or whether the commerce clause empowers Congress to speak on those issues of broad national concern that may be only tangentially related to what is easily defined as interstate commerce, whether a person who is disabled has the right to be accommodated so they can work alongside those who are nondisabled — in those difficult cases, the critical ingredient is supplied by what is in the judge’s heart.
> I want to take Judge Roberts at his word that he doesn’t like bullies and he sees the law and the Court as a means of evening the playing field between the strong and the weak. But given the gravity of the position to which he will undoubtedly ascend and the gravity of the decisions in which he will undoubtedly participate during his tenure on the Court, I ultimately have to give more weight to his deeds and the overarching political philosophy that he appears to have shared with those in power than to the assuring words that he provided me in our meeting.
> The bottom line is this: I will be voting against John Roberts‘ nomination. I do so with considerable reticence. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that this reticence on my part proves unjustified and that Judge Roberts will show himself to not only be an outstanding legal thinker but also someone who upholds the Court’s historic role as a check on the majoritarian impulses of the executive branch and the legislative branch. I hope that he will recognize who the weak are and who the strong are in our society. I hope that his jurisprudence is one that stands up to the bullies of all ideological stripes.
Now look at the age of the healthy Trump nominated SCOTUS justices.
Trump will be long dead and buried we will still suffer his curse.
We’re in for +50 years of a strong right wing bastion in the Supreme Court, giving a final stronger hand for every state or federal right wing policy challenge.
Robert72051 on
Well, when they made Trump a sovereign, they put themselves out of business …
External_Beat8153 on
He is one of the architects of the destruction of American democracy. What distinguishes him is that he led intentionally and strategically the march to authoritarian rule. His tenure will be remembered with shame.
reddittorbrigade on
He is part of MAGA terrorist organization.
m1j2p3 on
All of this has been planned for decades. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were part of the legal team that got cert and argued before SCOTUS in Bush v Gore back in 2000. It’s very interesting how all 3 of them ended up in SCOTUS. Conservatives have been trying to ruin America since the civil war.
AdHopeful3801 on
Definitely a guy in the running to unseat Roger B Taney as everyone’s least favorite Chief Justice.
belisario262 on
oh, the infamous Roberts Court, the hugely corrupt, racist and fascist one! one to be reviled by history!
dndm1 on
By “a dramatic rightward turn” you mean “and utter lack of credibility and integrity” for the US Supreme Court.
Kappy421 on
SCOTUS is supposed to uphold the constitution and the laws of our country…period….any administration or partisanship should be treated exactly the same…but no we have to put up with them inserting their personal opinions where they aren’t wanted or needed. They don’t do their jobs and pander to a radical fascist president. Not to mention the BS line of „they govern themselves“ as if the ones consistently siding with Trump OVER the constitution are gonna remove themselves for any reason.
theaceoffire on
It „turned right“ in much the same ways as the Titanic ‚Slightly dipped“ into the water.
demystifier on
John Roberts will be remembered as the man who destroyed the legitimacy of the Supreme Court.
FrogsOnALog on
Could have stopped most of this in 2016 but then a bunch of y’all would have had to vote for a woman ¯_(ツ)_/¯
SoccerLegs69 on
For anyone wanting or needing background on the SCOTUS extreme „right“ turn, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse has made and an outstanding and thoroughly documented layout of the 50 year plan that plutocrat billionaires executed to relive themselves away from helping build a pluralistic and dynamic American led world. This is why they bankrolled Reagan, then Bush 41. By no longer taxing the mega rich, the mega rich were able to buy the U.S. Gov’t one Rep. and Sen. at a time. SCOTUS took longer, but buying Congress bought them the votes they needed to increase their fortunes. What they also bought was the media. „Local“ TV news is gone. It is controlled by the same people that bought SCOTUS. The real ‚Big Lie‘? It is that we live under a deafening Liberal Media. There is no such thing. Especially in Red states. Take a hard look into ownership and really analyze your local national news. You are going to wonder, what happened?
backup1000 on
It is not just a rightward turn, it is an embracement of authoritarianism that seeks to embed its (lack of) principles permanently
Upset-Government-856 on
No shit
Stranger-Sun on
No shit. Get these traitors off the bench or drown them in new justices who respect our laws by expanding the court.
Acceptable_Phone3926 on
A very well researched and balanced look at the right-wing project of turning the courts to fit their ideology at the expense of democracy.
For somebody who grew up in the ’60s and ’70s, this shit is entirely disheartening.
WasteBinStuff on
I’m going to repeat something that I regularly have to tell my 13 year old son….
If you want us to trust you, then you have to show us by your actions that you are trustworthy.
It’s incredibly revealing that 6 of the esteemed educated arbiters of the laws of our nation – 6 people that hold the fate of the integrity of our justice system and by extension the entire fabric of our society in their hands – fail that most basic expectation.
The Robert’s court fails that most basic test by any measure. Justices are taking what in any sane interpretation of gift giving are outright bribes. Justices wives are taking in multiple millions as proxies in quid pro quo arrangements.
And from the legal ruling standpoint…
Shadow docket use is increasing notably which is in itself a massive trustbreaker due to lack of public legal reasoning, oral arguments, and comprehensive briefing.
And in many of their public rulings they are unable to use even straightforward conservative reasoning to reach the conclusions they have predetermined, and must rely on archaic serpentine legal gibberish that wouldn’t stand up to Moot Court in any law school.
The sad truth that Roberts and these otherwise intelligent people – and the otherwise intelligent people slavishly kowtowing to the powers that be – have deluded themselves into missing is this…
Though their constant lies, dishonest legislation, and assinine legal manipulations will unfortunately be believed by enough people that it will succeed in shaping society to their whim and destroying our country…
….. the inescapable fact will remain that no matter what happens, their lies will always be lies, and the destruction of The Great American Experiment will be the legacy they will be remembered for. Their posterity will be the ashes of society that they gaze down on from their high seats. History will remember them for their failures. They will be loved by the haters. They will be heroes only to the worst among us.
noncongruent on
The Roberts court will go down in history as the worst court in American history, worse even than the Taney court ([Dred Scott v. Sandford](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford)) and the Fuller court ([Plessy v. Ferguson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson)). In fact, there’s no sure bet that our American democracy will even survive the Roberts court. He very well could be the man that enabled the downfall of America itself.
Smart-Effective7533 on
In 20 years under John Roberts, a dramatic shift towards shredding the constitution.
Fixed the headline
Primary-Pianist-2555 on
They made bribing lawful for officials. As long as the payment is done after the crime. It makes sense, they have accepted bribes.
peacemaketroy on
Hey America your political system sucks. Love, the world.
Blitzkil4442 on
The understatement of the year award
Tiny-Chance-2068 on
This court has been bought and paid for.
Citizens United was the canary in the coal mine, and the media brushed it off like it was nothing. And now here we are – dark and grey money everywhere and nothing works anymore. Our rights are eroding precipitously and we’ve reinvented kings (I.e. untouchable rulers, above the law).
Seems like a pretty great way to steal a democracy.
ThinkingMSF on
Democrats should run on a platform of „Trump, Roberts, Alito and Thomas will be jailed, tried, and sentenced for high treason against the United States“. Because that’s literally what’s happening right now.
harajukubarbie on
Serving pedophiles is hard work.
Lanky_Instance3121 on
One crucial player in the destruction of our democracy.
Negative_Gravitas on
Makes the Taney court look like the very model of sober, considered jurisprudence.
mybustlinghedgerow on
It’s disgusting that his court just paused a ruling that banned ICE from detaining people based on ethnicity and what language they speak. And of course the ruling was unsigned and unexplained with only the liberal justices dissenting.
Hwy39 on
The Deep State has taken over
BraveOmeter on
Elect a president and congress with balls and watch what happens to the supreme court.
Ok_Set_8176 on
Obama was goat. We need a new 🐐
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The Roberts Court allows the associate justices to take bribes.
If America ever rebounds from this, he will be the single most reviled American of the 21st century in future history books. Maybe 20th and previous, too.
The single most important actor in the undermining of American democracy *AND* jurisprudence as a discipline.
I feel like all the headlines on Reddit are written by Captain Obvious.
One thing I thought i could count on Roberts for is preserving the power of the court. Nowadays, im not so sure.
Have any been implicated in Epstein? Oh yeah Kavanaugh had his own history
Why life terms is nonsense.
Senator Barack Obama, speaking at John Roberts confirmation hearing in 2005:
> The problem I face — a problem that has been voiced by some of my other colleagues, both those who are voting for Mr. Roberts and those who are voting against Mr. Roberts — is that while adherence to legal precedent and rules of statutory or constitutional construction will dispose of 95 percent of the cases that come before a court, so that both a Scalia and a Ginsburg will arrive at the same place most of the time on those 95 percent of the cases — what matters on the Supreme Court is those 5 percent of cases that are truly difficult. In those cases, adherence to precedent and rules of construction and interpretation will only get you through the 25th mile of the marathon. That last mile can only be determined on the basis of one’s deepest values, one’s core concerns, one’s broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one’s empathy.
> In those 5 percent of hard cases, the constitutional text will not be directly on point. The language of the statute will not be perfectly clear. Legal process alone will not lead you to a rule of decision. In those circumstances, your decisions about whether affirmative action is an appropriate response to the history of discrimination in this country or whether a general right of privacy encompasses a more specific right of women to control their reproductive decisions or whether the commerce clause empowers Congress to speak on those issues of broad national concern that may be only tangentially related to what is easily defined as interstate commerce, whether a person who is disabled has the right to be accommodated so they can work alongside those who are nondisabled — in those difficult cases, the critical ingredient is supplied by what is in the judge’s heart.
> I want to take Judge Roberts at his word that he doesn’t like bullies and he sees the law and the Court as a means of evening the playing field between the strong and the weak. But given the gravity of the position to which he will undoubtedly ascend and the gravity of the decisions in which he will undoubtedly participate during his tenure on the Court, I ultimately have to give more weight to his deeds and the overarching political philosophy that he appears to have shared with those in power than to the assuring words that he provided me in our meeting.
> The bottom line is this: I will be voting against John Roberts‘ nomination. I do so with considerable reticence. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that this reticence on my part proves unjustified and that Judge Roberts will show himself to not only be an outstanding legal thinker but also someone who upholds the Court’s historic role as a check on the majoritarian impulses of the executive branch and the legislative branch. I hope that he will recognize who the weak are and who the strong are in our society. I hope that his jurisprudence is one that stands up to the bullies of all ideological stripes.
http://obamaspeeches.com/031-Confirmation-of-Judge-John-Roberts-Obama-Speech.htm
Obama nailed it.
Now look at the age of the healthy Trump nominated SCOTUS justices.
Trump will be long dead and buried we will still suffer his curse.
We’re in for +50 years of a strong right wing bastion in the Supreme Court, giving a final stronger hand for every state or federal right wing policy challenge.
Well, when they made Trump a sovereign, they put themselves out of business …
He is one of the architects of the destruction of American democracy. What distinguishes him is that he led intentionally and strategically the march to authoritarian rule. His tenure will be remembered with shame.
He is part of MAGA terrorist organization.
All of this has been planned for decades. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were part of the legal team that got cert and argued before SCOTUS in Bush v Gore back in 2000. It’s very interesting how all 3 of them ended up in SCOTUS. Conservatives have been trying to ruin America since the civil war.
Definitely a guy in the running to unseat Roger B Taney as everyone’s least favorite Chief Justice.
oh, the infamous Roberts Court, the hugely corrupt, racist and fascist one! one to be reviled by history!
By “a dramatic rightward turn” you mean “and utter lack of credibility and integrity” for the US Supreme Court.
SCOTUS is supposed to uphold the constitution and the laws of our country…period….any administration or partisanship should be treated exactly the same…but no we have to put up with them inserting their personal opinions where they aren’t wanted or needed. They don’t do their jobs and pander to a radical fascist president. Not to mention the BS line of „they govern themselves“ as if the ones consistently siding with Trump OVER the constitution are gonna remove themselves for any reason.
It „turned right“ in much the same ways as the Titanic ‚Slightly dipped“ into the water.
John Roberts will be remembered as the man who destroyed the legitimacy of the Supreme Court.
Could have stopped most of this in 2016 but then a bunch of y’all would have had to vote for a woman ¯_(ツ)_/¯
For anyone wanting or needing background on the SCOTUS extreme „right“ turn, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse has made and an outstanding and thoroughly documented layout of the 50 year plan that plutocrat billionaires executed to relive themselves away from helping build a pluralistic and dynamic American led world. This is why they bankrolled Reagan, then Bush 41. By no longer taxing the mega rich, the mega rich were able to buy the U.S. Gov’t one Rep. and Sen. at a time. SCOTUS took longer, but buying Congress bought them the votes they needed to increase their fortunes. What they also bought was the media. „Local“ TV news is gone. It is controlled by the same people that bought SCOTUS. The real ‚Big Lie‘? It is that we live under a deafening Liberal Media. There is no such thing. Especially in Red states. Take a hard look into ownership and really analyze your local national news. You are going to wonder, what happened?
It is not just a rightward turn, it is an embracement of authoritarianism that seeks to embed its (lack of) principles permanently
No shit
No shit. Get these traitors off the bench or drown them in new justices who respect our laws by expanding the court.
A very well researched and balanced look at the right-wing project of turning the courts to fit their ideology at the expense of democracy.
[We Don’t Talk About Leonard – ProPublica – 4 part podcast](https://www.propublica.org/article/we-dont-talk-about-leonard-podcast)
Very much worth a listen.
For somebody who grew up in the ’60s and ’70s, this shit is entirely disheartening.
I’m going to repeat something that I regularly have to tell my 13 year old son….
If you want us to trust you, then you have to show us by your actions that you are trustworthy.
It’s incredibly revealing that 6 of the esteemed educated arbiters of the laws of our nation – 6 people that hold the fate of the integrity of our justice system and by extension the entire fabric of our society in their hands – fail that most basic expectation.
The Robert’s court fails that most basic test by any measure. Justices are taking what in any sane interpretation of gift giving are outright bribes. Justices wives are taking in multiple millions as proxies in quid pro quo arrangements.
And from the legal ruling standpoint…
Shadow docket use is increasing notably which is in itself a massive trustbreaker due to lack of public legal reasoning, oral arguments, and comprehensive briefing.
And in many of their public rulings they are unable to use even straightforward conservative reasoning to reach the conclusions they have predetermined, and must rely on archaic serpentine legal gibberish that wouldn’t stand up to Moot Court in any law school.
The sad truth that Roberts and these otherwise intelligent people – and the otherwise intelligent people slavishly kowtowing to the powers that be – have deluded themselves into missing is this…
Though their constant lies, dishonest legislation, and assinine legal manipulations will unfortunately be believed by enough people that it will succeed in shaping society to their whim and destroying our country…
….. the inescapable fact will remain that no matter what happens, their lies will always be lies, and the destruction of The Great American Experiment will be the legacy they will be remembered for. Their posterity will be the ashes of society that they gaze down on from their high seats. History will remember them for their failures. They will be loved by the haters. They will be heroes only to the worst among us.
The Roberts court will go down in history as the worst court in American history, worse even than the Taney court ([Dred Scott v. Sandford](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford)) and the Fuller court ([Plessy v. Ferguson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson)). In fact, there’s no sure bet that our American democracy will even survive the Roberts court. He very well could be the man that enabled the downfall of America itself.
In 20 years under John Roberts, a dramatic shift towards shredding the constitution.
Fixed the headline
They made bribing lawful for officials. As long as the payment is done after the crime. It makes sense, they have accepted bribes.
Hey America your political system sucks. Love, the world.
The understatement of the year award
This court has been bought and paid for.
Citizens United was the canary in the coal mine, and the media brushed it off like it was nothing. And now here we are – dark and grey money everywhere and nothing works anymore. Our rights are eroding precipitously and we’ve reinvented kings (I.e. untouchable rulers, above the law).
Seems like a pretty great way to steal a democracy.
Democrats should run on a platform of „Trump, Roberts, Alito and Thomas will be jailed, tried, and sentenced for high treason against the United States“. Because that’s literally what’s happening right now.
Serving pedophiles is hard work.
One crucial player in the destruction of our democracy.
Makes the Taney court look like the very model of sober, considered jurisprudence.
It’s disgusting that his court just paused a ruling that banned ICE from detaining people based on ethnicity and what language they speak. And of course the ruling was unsigned and unexplained with only the liberal justices dissenting.
The Deep State has taken over
Elect a president and congress with balls and watch what happens to the supreme court.
Obama was goat. We need a new 🐐