Der NDP -Führer gibt zu, dass der Zusammenbruch der Partei, die an Identitätspolitik gebunden ist und Liberale aufgestellt hat
https://www.westernstandard.news/news/ndp-leader-admits-party-collapse-tied-to-identity-politics-and-propping-up-liberals/67166
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I am so very tired of the framing where issues like defending trans people against attacks always, always initiated by Conservatives means the NDP is „obsessed“ with identity politics. If your „average Canadian“ doesn’t care about trans issues, why aren’t the Conservatives being called out for repeatedly bringing this shit up?
The idea that appealing to an exclusively white male blue collar base and throwing everyone else under the bus to get there is actually going to get you any electoral success is nonsense.
What is “identity politics”?
The notion that prior to this century that politics, especially in Canada (!), did not revolve around ‘identity’ is bizarre.
I can’t think of a single part of the federal NDP today that is much different than say the BC Greens
It’s tough to be the workers party when your policies are guaranteed to kill all job prospects
Identity politics isn’t the problem. It didn’t win the election for the CPC, either, but it got them very close.
The NDP lost because Pierre Polievre (and Donald Trump) are seen as so dangerous to the left that they held their noses and voted Liberal. It’s that simple.
The NDP could have executed political strategy flawlessly and the outcome would have been the same.
The NDP has always been socially progressive relative to its times.
Always.
This has never changed and it shouldn’t change. There is some question about rhetoric and how to position oneself in a culture war, though, which is likely what Davies is talking about, but not really whether eg one should legitimately oppose oppression.
What has changed is that paper mill workers in Powell River and auto workers in Windsor and miners in Northern Ontario used to be united in going to the ballot box and voting for a socially progressive party. They did so alongside other members of the working class, that include, yes, urban office workers of certain stature, servers, cooks, cleaners, etc. Because they knew it benefited them.
They have lost many of those votes. Have attitudes really changed? Did male factory workers in the 60s think better of gay men than the industrial working class of today thinks of trans people?
I suspect not. Perhaps what has changed is American and billionaire influence in continuing to campaign against socialism and social democracy. That might partially be it. Perhaps what has changed is effectiveness of messaging and policy on pocket book issues, not on “social left” stuff.
The “working class” vs. “social left” thing on Reddit and elsewhere is such obvious media-and-influencer-driven drivel. I hate it.
I’m not saying the NDP hasn’t failed since Layton. I’m just saying it isn’t because of the “social left.”
An idiotic take and good evidence for why the NDP will not recover. To fix a problem you need to understand the issue.
I do agree propping up the Liberals was a big issue but only because they were allowed to drag out the start of the pharmacare and dental care for so long. The deal should have required faster action and then new demands. When it seems to so many you’re propping up an unpopular government for no reason you’ll pay a price.
Defending marginalized groups and a full history of Canada from the constant attacks of right wing extremism is not a mistake, ever. The mistake is never having any genuine economic plans that would benefit workers and develop Canadian industry then most will not see you as having anything for them. If the NDP is just another neoliberal party then what’s their purpose.
They also need better terms than “neoliberal”. 🤷🏻♂️ Too academic
Mostly identity politics. Like you can’t run here because you are white type policies aren’t going to fly with the average voter.
This title is clickbait journalism because Don gave a much more nuanced perspective than this.
Identity issues matter. Women are workers, 2SLGBTQIA+ people are workers, disabled people are workers, and so on. We live in a world of complexity and nuance and there are different challenges/issues facing different demographics.
Stigmatizing „identity issues“ and then making other demographics issues not „identity issues but more valid issues“ is nothing but prejudicial.
Now I do think that a focus should be on broad Economic Democracy and a lifting of all tides type approach.
The good old Canadian Labour Congress quote: „The Labour Movement has given us minimum wages, overtime pay, workplace safety standards, maternity and parental leave, vacation pay, and protection from discrimination and harassment.“
Reorienting society towards the working class and the most vulnerable is one of the big methodologies for addressing the affordability of life crisis/quality of life crisis. Crisis points that are disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable segments.
It’s a way to go about things that creates solidarity instead of emphasizing division.
One thing I notice from reactionaries and regressive types is always making it out like other people having representation and a voice in political discourse is a bad thing. Somehow that means your group gets less. It’s not a zero sum game.
I really hope we start having better more substantive and analytical discussions on things because outrage porn, lowest common denominator discussions, and one dimensional thinking is how bad actors keep playing the populace. It also doesn’t help get us to a place to tackle the big challenges of our era which are complex and nuanced.
Listen women, race/ethnicity, gender, and sexual orientation realities are not going anywhere. It’s about learning how to be productive and constructive in how we grow in a modern world. Let’s learn the lessons of the past.
I’ll never forgive Don and his comrades for spreading misinformation about the invasion of Ukraine. The party has been hoodwinked by the loonie left. https://globalnews.ca/news/8538732/ukraine-russia-ndp-mps/
Stop trying to find an easy way out, many things have gone wrong at many levels.
Identity politics being a problem is largely an American ideology import.
Just cut out any/all identity politics for, at least, a decade. Focus on workers‘ rights, unions, domestic issues, and things that working-class **citizens** need. Focus on local/domestic/small businesses, and oppose foreign and big businesses and corporations. No TFWs, no refugees, no immigrant stuff (legal or otherwise). Don’t tie yourself to hot-button emotional issues, focus on everyday *practical* issues **only**.