The loaded suffix -phobia is overused in socio-political discourse. I will be glad when this manipulative trick falls out of favour.
Numerous-Bike-4951 on
Its not pragmatism when you dont have a choice .
Its weird to see people begging for us to open the door to China. Canola is the newest member to our get focked industry club.
bigjimbay on
Wanting to trade with countries that share the same value of human rights that we do is explicitly NOT sinophobia. These loaded ass headlines do a poor job of concealing their agenda. There is no point in cutting ties with the US to jump in bed with China. They’re both terrible countries who trample all over our values
MTL_Dude666 on
Wow, it’s a first. I agree to the title of an article from the National Post!
As for the content of the article, I can’t read it because it’s locked behind a paywall.
My opinion on this is that as China is now one of the biggest economies in the world and one of the most technologically-advanced country in the world (yes, in many regards, more advanced than the United States, especially concerning manufacturing), Canada CANNOT disengage from trading with that country.
Besides, all the previous arguments for not doing business with China are now essentially the same arguments as to why we should stop focusing all of our business with the United States.
Canada has always been considered a pragmatic country that acts based on reality more than on ideology. Putting 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs is purely based on following the ideology of the United States while it blocks our commitments towards climate change (which the US doesn’t seem to care at all). Besides, if Canada wants to develop itself technologically, we should bring the repair and maintenance of Chinese EVs here and benefit from the skills Canadians could develop from it. It is an illusion to think that Canada can somehow develop their own EVs when we are DECADES behind the capabilities of China in this regard.
What we can and should do though is to do business with intelligence and government policies instead of doing it the American „no-hold-barred/Adam-Smith-can’t-go-wrong“ way.
AntifaAnita on
Yeah so what the hell happened behind the scenes here? That’s like two premiers and now the NatPo that flipped on China in the past week. Very sudden and out of character.
I think there’s a sensible compromise to made on BYD, like requiring Canadian built batteries to be the powertrain since they’re undercutting Canadian producers.
BYD would most likely be extremely grateful to even sell at cost just to get into the North American market and provide important impetus for American companies to get their ass in gear to develop quality cars for a change. When BYD cars are driving around in Canada, Americans are going to start wanting them.
With trump killing electric vehicles and renewables, this allows Canadian jobs and battery tech to be created and entrench themselves by the time the next government corrects the distasterous policies of Trump. They’re going to lose a decade of development from his trade policies so allowing production here could make a difference in future BYD North American production lines going to America
dkuznetsov on
Slavery has always been beneficial to someone. Just assign a group of „other“ people a label „for reeducation“, exploit them in camps, and have grateful Canadian partners buy that cheap textile in their Walmarts. Win-win for all parties that matter.
accforme on
I am just going to put it out there that during the election debates, Carney explicitly said that China was the greatest threat to Canada.
There will not be a sudden 180 in Canada’s China policy. Any change will be gradual, I presume.
Champagne_of_piss on
>Our national interest demands swift action to resolve these disputes, not ideological grandstanding.
America is on the decline and most of it is self inflicted.
While we punch above our weight economically, a large part of that was due to our close relationship to them.
We’ve got to hitch our wagon to someone, why not the economy that is poised to dominate the coming century?
If the answer is „freedom, democracy, human rights“, our former „best buddy“ really only gave lip service to those concepts to begin with and those ideals have recently been thrown in the trash.
Kevin4938 on
If we don’t want to trade with the US because we don’t like their policies, isn’t it a bit hypocritical to deal with China while not liking their policies?
exit2dos on
Why is it *always* framed as a „This ***OR*** That“ ?
Why is there a *Demand* that we be in eithers orbit?
Other countries exist.
ConundrumMachine on
The sinophobia was to appease US investors/companies that can’t compete with China (capitalism is a tough game and they’re losing). Enough of ti’s. I want cheap high quality EVs. Idaf where they come from.
ArtinPhrae on
China presents an opportunity for us to expand our trade and take advantage of the stupid tariff policies of the United States. Many of the things they traditionally buy from the Americans we can sell them instead.
Grey531 on
If the LPC chooses to cooperate with China on anything, the CPC will probably never stop staying that Carney is in the CCP’s pocket. Already PP will not stop talking about the ferries contract last time we did this no matter how un-pragmatic it is.
quickymgee on
The real pragmatism is that China is THE global rival to Canada for rare earth materials.
It is Canada’s greatest comparative advantage over countries in Europe, SEA and the US, which Carney is currently leveraging to maintain US trade, grow European ties (to the point where we become critical to their supply chain so they need us and will step up for us as allies), and as impetus to build out our internal infrastructure.
If we make ourselves beholden to China economically „instead“ of the US we aren’t just trading one hegemon for the other, we would be trading the opportunity to stand up for ourselves on the world stage. Keep in mind it isn’t just the EVs its China flooding the steel market as well, not to mention all their extra territorial espionage.
Harbinger2001 on
We need to work out a deal with the Chinese auto manufacturers like we did with the Japanese. It had them invest in local production.
The problem is that required the US to be part of the solution and I just don’t see the US or Mexico agreeing to let China in.
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The loaded suffix -phobia is overused in socio-political discourse. I will be glad when this manipulative trick falls out of favour.
Its not pragmatism when you dont have a choice .
Its weird to see people begging for us to open the door to China. Canola is the newest member to our get focked industry club.
Wanting to trade with countries that share the same value of human rights that we do is explicitly NOT sinophobia. These loaded ass headlines do a poor job of concealing their agenda. There is no point in cutting ties with the US to jump in bed with China. They’re both terrible countries who trample all over our values
Wow, it’s a first. I agree to the title of an article from the National Post!
As for the content of the article, I can’t read it because it’s locked behind a paywall.
My opinion on this is that as China is now one of the biggest economies in the world and one of the most technologically-advanced country in the world (yes, in many regards, more advanced than the United States, especially concerning manufacturing), Canada CANNOT disengage from trading with that country.
Besides, all the previous arguments for not doing business with China are now essentially the same arguments as to why we should stop focusing all of our business with the United States.
Canada has always been considered a pragmatic country that acts based on reality more than on ideology. Putting 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs is purely based on following the ideology of the United States while it blocks our commitments towards climate change (which the US doesn’t seem to care at all). Besides, if Canada wants to develop itself technologically, we should bring the repair and maintenance of Chinese EVs here and benefit from the skills Canadians could develop from it. It is an illusion to think that Canada can somehow develop their own EVs when we are DECADES behind the capabilities of China in this regard.
What we can and should do though is to do business with intelligence and government policies instead of doing it the American „no-hold-barred/Adam-Smith-can’t-go-wrong“ way.
Yeah so what the hell happened behind the scenes here? That’s like two premiers and now the NatPo that flipped on China in the past week. Very sudden and out of character.
I think there’s a sensible compromise to made on BYD, like requiring Canadian built batteries to be the powertrain since they’re undercutting Canadian producers.
BYD would most likely be extremely grateful to even sell at cost just to get into the North American market and provide important impetus for American companies to get their ass in gear to develop quality cars for a change. When BYD cars are driving around in Canada, Americans are going to start wanting them.
With trump killing electric vehicles and renewables, this allows Canadian jobs and battery tech to be created and entrench themselves by the time the next government corrects the distasterous policies of Trump. They’re going to lose a decade of development from his trade policies so allowing production here could make a difference in future BYD North American production lines going to America
Slavery has always been beneficial to someone. Just assign a group of „other“ people a label „for reeducation“, exploit them in camps, and have grateful Canadian partners buy that cheap textile in their Walmarts. Win-win for all parties that matter.
I am just going to put it out there that during the election debates, Carney explicitly said that China was the greatest threat to Canada.
There will not be a sudden 180 in Canada’s China policy. Any change will be gradual, I presume.
>Our national interest demands swift action to resolve these disputes, not ideological grandstanding.
America is on the decline and most of it is self inflicted.
While we punch above our weight economically, a large part of that was due to our close relationship to them.
We’ve got to hitch our wagon to someone, why not the economy that is poised to dominate the coming century?
If the answer is „freedom, democracy, human rights“, our former „best buddy“ really only gave lip service to those concepts to begin with and those ideals have recently been thrown in the trash.
If we don’t want to trade with the US because we don’t like their policies, isn’t it a bit hypocritical to deal with China while not liking their policies?
Why is it *always* framed as a „This ***OR*** That“ ?
Why is there a *Demand* that we be in eithers orbit?
Other countries exist.
The sinophobia was to appease US investors/companies that can’t compete with China (capitalism is a tough game and they’re losing). Enough of ti’s. I want cheap high quality EVs. Idaf where they come from.
China presents an opportunity for us to expand our trade and take advantage of the stupid tariff policies of the United States. Many of the things they traditionally buy from the Americans we can sell them instead.
If the LPC chooses to cooperate with China on anything, the CPC will probably never stop staying that Carney is in the CCP’s pocket. Already PP will not stop talking about the ferries contract last time we did this no matter how un-pragmatic it is.
The real pragmatism is that China is THE global rival to Canada for rare earth materials.
It is Canada’s greatest comparative advantage over countries in Europe, SEA and the US, which Carney is currently leveraging to maintain US trade, grow European ties (to the point where we become critical to their supply chain so they need us and will step up for us as allies), and as impetus to build out our internal infrastructure.
If we make ourselves beholden to China economically „instead“ of the US we aren’t just trading one hegemon for the other, we would be trading the opportunity to stand up for ourselves on the world stage. Keep in mind it isn’t just the EVs its China flooding the steel market as well, not to mention all their extra territorial espionage.
We need to work out a deal with the Chinese auto manufacturers like we did with the Japanese. It had them invest in local production.
The problem is that required the US to be part of the solution and I just don’t see the US or Mexico agreeing to let China in.