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    1. golf_is_quite_hard on

      Is it any fucking wonder? On paper me and the Mrs are doing great. We couldn’t afford to have kids. Even if we did, what are we going to tell them? „Work hard and you can be successful“?

    2. In 2023 40% of births involved at least one parent being born outside the UK.

      Curious whether that has gone up too.

    3. John_Williams_1977 on

      People don’t want kids and have a socially acceptable excuse – ‘money’.

      Poorer people have more children than richer people. Money was never a barrier before.

      Women went from a world of limited opportunities to a world of endless opportunities – and having kids means giving up so much more than their parents had to.

      Career + travel + free time OR change nappies.

      Women are saying thanks but no thanks.

    4. I desperately want children but have no idea how I would afford them. I have barely £200 left over each month after rent, bills, tax etc. I want my children to be able to go to fun experiences, sports clubs, I don’t want them to feel like they’re struggling as we penny pinch to afford food every month.

    5. SeniorHouseOfficer on

      Median full time equivalent wage was ~37k last time I checked. But for 20-29 year olds it’s 32k.

      But childcare is so expensive, that often one parent has to drop to part time. And if they’re part time, affording more than one kid is a nightmare.

      And half of 20-29 year olds are earning less than 32k.

      The problem is young people don’t have the money to have kids.

      Fix the economy, and maybe we’ll have a stable birth rate.

    6. ancapailldorcha on

      So successive governments took the hardest and most expensive thing most people will ever do and then made even harder and even more expensive.

      How can anyone possibly be surprised that this is the result?

    7. I mean the cost of living is astronomical. And also has anyone tried dating in their 30’s? This generation is going to have the lowest reproduction rates on record. Nobody can choose a partner anymore.

    8. The government could fix this shit by introducing tax incentives, fair maternity and paternity leave and affordable childcare.

      But they won’t do that. And then wonder why people don’t want babies. Then the cycle will begin again.

      We really need to take notes from countries such as Norway.

    9. I can afford kids right now but don’t have the space for them. If I moved to a place with room for kids I wouldn’t be able to afford them

    10. The crux of the issue:

      – Raising children in a relatively luxury environment is expensive and wages have stagnated for over a decade while housing costs have ballooned

      – In the Modern age, having children can be much less appealing than travelling + free time.

      How do you solve this without insane levels of migration? I would argue cheap housing, tax incentives and more child care benefits for parents.

    11. Curious as top why London and West Midlands are opposing this trend, especially when these are probably the more expensive regions to get a family friendly property

    12. TheBeaverKing on

      I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

      This is what happens when the government has to appease the largest voter base. The 50+ y.o. demand their triple locked pensions and fuel allowances, otherwise they’ll vote en masse to remove the party in power.

      The government have limited options to increase revenue, so anything funding the younger generations has to be cut or suppressed to compensate.

      If you’re under 40 and don’t vote, this is on you.

    13. AgitatedAd7265 on

      I have a good job and a good wage. But it’s 24/7 and involves shift work. No option to get out of it. I’d have to pay most of my wage just for childcare. Plus I’d be dealing with a child while recovering from night shifts. When there is no childcare facilities available for nights

    14. ash_ninetyone on

      It’s expensive. Couples work and barely struggle to give themselves a comfortable life, let alone a kid.

      I try to be positive, hopeful, and guard against cynicism, but the world feels increasingly hostile and dystopian atm.

    15. It’s not just money- more and more women simply don’t want to have kids. I think some are realising that they actually don’t want them when they really think about it; it’s just societal pressures. Also there’s a dating crisis and more women also don’t want to have children with the wrong partner; we’re more financially self-sufficient than our mothers and grandmothers were to have that freedom of choice.

    16. Historical-Cicada-29 on

      What a shit world to bring any kid into.

      Just have cats/ dogs or any animals you adore.

    17. Fieryhotsauce on

      I’m honestly fucking sick of these birthrate/fertility articles because we’ve been hearing it for 5-10 years now and not even the goddamn Labour government is willing to step in and help younger people get a leg up. I’m at an age now where me and my friends are desperate for kids but we’re all struggling – despite solid professions.

      Between stagnant wages, cripping house prices, rising amenities prices the choice is be childless and almost comfortable, or have a kid and give them a worse life than you had.

    18. mronionbhaji on

      We recently had a baby girl.

      During maternity leave we are down £1,000 a month lost from my partners salary. Once she’s back to work, we’ll still be down 1000 a month due to nursery costs.

      People need two incomes to pay the mortgage/rent these days. We’ve gone from comfortable to absolutely broke, and will be completely broke until she starts primary school.

      Still, she’s absolutely worth it ❤️

    19. Forgetting the financials of it, which is a massive part, we have had a huge culture shift.
      We have done great things like women being more open to being in the workforce, and having fulfilling careers and education, however this has also had an effect on birthrates. We have made great strides in reducing teen pregnancy, but again, lower birth rates. We have become more accepting of same sex marriages so people can be open about their sexuality from puberty instead of going into loveless marriages. Lower birth rates. We are allowing of abortion for non medical purposes. Lower birth rates. We have the morning after pill, and hormonal and IUD contraceptives now. Lower birth rates.

      This isn’t even to mention that people don’t mingle as much. The fact that workplaces are less relaxed now, so there’s a lower propensity for people to just get to know each other. We have stopped drinking as much, and there’s no more third places, places away from work and outside the home for people to meet so we’ve reduced our social lubricant and stopped going to places where we can interact with others.

      Is it any wonder? Too much work and no play apparently makes you boring and not have babies

    20. PizzaSweats1790 on

      Whenever I read about the fertility rate being so low I am also so perplexed because I’ve just had my first baby and the NHS maternity capacity is crazy low… they’re so stretched! I couldn’t even get a bed to get induced with preeclampsia it was that busy and there weren’t any beds on Labour ward. I know there’s probably a good reason ie nah funding is poor so there’s always going to be an issue, but my head struggles to rationalise that the fertility rate can still be soooo low at the same time.

    21. Good-Strong on

      Honestly maybe I’m in the minority but I really don’t think this is such a terrible thing.

    22. Me and my partner been together 8 years, stable jobs, house, happily together etc. but why would we bring a kid into this world? Our country and the world in general keeps getting worse and I don’t want them to have to live with the failures of our society and generation when they get into their 30s.

    23. And I won’t be doing my part to help raise it either. The only kids I’ll be „bringing into the world“ and raising, are kittens or puppies.

      Why would I want to bring up another human being in this country, just so they will have to work twice as hard as me to achieve the same things and buy the same groceries?

      In fact, I’d be doing that poor soul a favour by not bringing them into this all work and no play country.

    24. BuckfastAndHairballs on

      Whenever this topic comes up, why do people act like they have 100% conviction it is due to X (money, prioritising other things, etc). It’s clearly caused by multiple factors, some of which can be improved by better funding (e.g. cost of childcare) others can’t be improved without going back to women (and men too) not having other choices.

    25. Pretend-Elephant3972 on

      Don’t worry, we have plenty of immigrants to boost population with the help of our government’s track record

    26. Also, now people understand that they dont have to have kids to have a full life. Before, having kids was just something you did because of the „normal next stage of life.“ Now, women know they can be more than incubators, be barefoot, pregnant in the kitchen. They can be free, have their own bank accounts, dreams and even divorce. Now people actually THINK whether they wanna be parents or not.

    27. Different_Lychee_409 on

      This is a long term demographic trend. The Uk has been below 2.1 children per woman for over 50 years.

      Furthermore, you can see similar stats across Western Europe. This strongly suggests this isn’t really to do with current economic conditions. Its likely that women (and men) just don’t want to have large families anymore.

      What’s Nigels ’solution‘? He’s doesn’t have one.

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