No. Europe should not pay attention to him. Europe’s problems lie within itself, and so do its solutions.
Fragrant_Ad_2285 on
IMO Europe would be in a better position to negotiate if it first focuses on reigniting economic growth, innovation and its defensive capabilities. It is the erosion of these factors that puts it in a weak negotiating position, and only by addressing these fundamentals will it become strong.
22220222223224 on
Yes, everyone feels this way, but until Europe can defend itself, all of these pieces are a simple coping mechanism.
North-Protection2610 on
Dude, have they even looked what is happening in America? The mayor of Chicago and many local groups already said they are going to fight Donal Trump should he deploy the Army to Chicago! They are embroiled in legal battles across every corner. Society is heating up at an insane pace.
I mean. How is media so fucking far from reality on the ground in America. Sit back and prepare for Fallout!
ItsACaragor on
You can tell EU leaders are still in a mindset where they just have to outlast Trump and then everything will go back to normal so in the meantime they just wither the storm and appease Trump hoping he will go away if they just buy time.
This is shortsighted in the extreme and makes sure Europe remains a vassal to the US.
2L84T on
No problem with a bit of appeasement to buy time to put the economies of Europe on a more resilient footing … but in the hope it’ll make a bully back down? It won’t. The choice will always be „stand up now or stand up later“.
datafromravens on
europe has no power to do anything except complain
Fluffy-Republic8610 on
He only has 3 years left. I would say Russia would love it if the EU lost its cool and destroyed decades of commerical relationships.with the USA because of their agent, trump. When your enemy wants you to smash things, it may be worth staying calm.
Now assuming the next US president is less in Russia’s pocket, that would be a good time to get tough with the USA. But for now, lets just get through trump and not make permanent changes for the sake of 1 us administration.
whooo_me on
It’d be such a cathartic moment to leader stand up to him, contradict his lies and insults.
Zelensky is the only one I’ve seen do it, and was particularly ballsy considering it was not just standing up to Trump but others of his administration and a host of hostile press; and even more so knowing how much Ukraine depends on American aid.
Every time our leaders don’t stand up to him, it’s not just an opportunity missed, but it helps strengthen his hand. It makes one of the weakest, stupidest mean to ever lead a country, appear like a strongman leader.
It’s so fucking depressing.
Glory4cod on
I’ve heard enough reasons on „why“; I want to know some means about „how“.
Inside_Essay9296 on
Just Boycott everything American, it’s the way
Massimo25ore on
>So it’s time for the EU to accept the reality that Trump is a bully and that he must be confronted as such. This may come with a short term cost and it will require clear leadership and communication from European leaders, especially from President von der Leyen – the only global leader in the EU institutions. She must engage in real debate with the European Parliament, starting next month in Strasbourg and must engage with Europeans via real media interviews in Brussels and across the national capitals, instead of hiding in the Berlaymont.
What really matters to Ursula is keeping her place as president, a debate in Strasbourg about that trade agreement could only weaken her position, much more if the media show all the contradictions and failures (for the EU) of the agreement. Of course, the agreement allows a few countries to keep a good chunk of their economy and jobs relatively safe, but at what cost?
justthegrimm on
Not only will it not work it will only encourage the use of the Sam tactics every time the tangerine tyrant decides he wants something. It’s a very slippery slope and the old idea of weathering the storm of a shitty administration in Washington no longer works.
Any-Original-6113 on
Is it really the case that what was obvious to everyone – to fight back and conduct multi-round tough negotiations – is the right strategy, rather than agreeing to all the conditions and receiving even harsher ones?
Perhaps the EU Commission should take a course on „how to properly negotiate for beginners „.
FatFaceRikky on
The US has us at the balls on defense (Ukraine) and energy (LNG imports). We are not self-sufficient in these 2 topics and both EU and US knows it. We dont have a lot of cards unfortunately.
k4kkul4pio on
It would be nice if we, as a whole, came together and formed an Europe wide coalition that stood strong against Trump’s increasingly corrupt America.
Ideally EU would be exactly that but the will to resist seems to be missing and capitulation seems like the go to solution as of now.
ArmadilloMogul on
Shouldn’t it start with standing up to Putin?
ArmadilloMogul on
Considering the dismal record and likability of the DNC. It could be a decade of Trump policies that continue for quite some time.
TheGaelicPrince on
People from countries that actually criticize and stand up to America are Venezuelans, Syrians, Serbians, Burkinabes, Malians & Nigeriens.
Europeans, Japanese, South Koreans, Australians, Gulf Arabs & Filipinos do what the White House says.
1_Upminster on
We have a very messy dynamic. On the one hand we have a bully ( Putin ) who is needlessly killing people and threatening all of Europe. On the other hand we have a child-bully ( Trump ) playing in a sandbox throwing sand at everyone who passes by, whether they appease him or not. So what to do ? Be nice to stand up to both, without losing Ukraine.
Mysterious_Tea on
Appeasement NEVER woked, in history.
Sizeablegrapefruits on
The delusional nature of this article aside, the E.U made this bed for themselves. This is what they chose. They had an opportunity to break from the U.S neocons (ironically like warmonger, John Bolton) going back to 2014 when the American C.I.A assisted in the Ukranian revolution. The E.U and European NATO countries leaned into that right behind the U.S neocons instead. Not only was it supported, those nations happily danced over Russia’s clear red line of no NATO entry for Ukraine, on the Russian border.
Obviously Putin is a despot and is not „the good guy“ but western Europe gave him the justification he desired for entry into Ukraine. At the same time, the industrial base of Europe was reliant on Russia’s piped gas. That arrangement was good as long as Ukraine wasn’t proxy’d by NATO because it granted especially Germany with the energy input necessary to compete globally. So they shot themselves in the foot by pushing NATO to the Russian border, then again by cutting off a key source of energy.
Then what did Germany do? They shut their nuclear power plants and began to buy more expensive gas, thus making themselves even less competitive. All of this combined with the fact that Europe has no military industrial capabilities and no real standing armies to speak of, and you end up here. The E.U is the architect of their own issues. Maybe the European bureaucrats can schedule a meeting at the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles so they can take a look at the real culprit of their dire situation.
Potential-Focus3211 on
realpolitik usually means strong countries sacrificing their own allies and treating them as pieces of shit for immidiate short-term geopolitical or economic rewards while sacrificing long-term trust and diplomatic relations with their most trustable and longest-held allies.
NothingbutNetiPot on
I’m cheering for Europe’s success, but I doubt Europeans are willing to eat the quality of life hit that would be involved in standing up to the US.
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No. Europe should not pay attention to him. Europe’s problems lie within itself, and so do its solutions.
IMO Europe would be in a better position to negotiate if it first focuses on reigniting economic growth, innovation and its defensive capabilities. It is the erosion of these factors that puts it in a weak negotiating position, and only by addressing these fundamentals will it become strong.
Yes, everyone feels this way, but until Europe can defend itself, all of these pieces are a simple coping mechanism.
Dude, have they even looked what is happening in America? The mayor of Chicago and many local groups already said they are going to fight Donal Trump should he deploy the Army to Chicago! They are embroiled in legal battles across every corner. Society is heating up at an insane pace.
I mean. How is media so fucking far from reality on the ground in America. Sit back and prepare for Fallout!
You can tell EU leaders are still in a mindset where they just have to outlast Trump and then everything will go back to normal so in the meantime they just wither the storm and appease Trump hoping he will go away if they just buy time.
This is shortsighted in the extreme and makes sure Europe remains a vassal to the US.
No problem with a bit of appeasement to buy time to put the economies of Europe on a more resilient footing … but in the hope it’ll make a bully back down? It won’t. The choice will always be „stand up now or stand up later“.
europe has no power to do anything except complain
He only has 3 years left. I would say Russia would love it if the EU lost its cool and destroyed decades of commerical relationships.with the USA because of their agent, trump. When your enemy wants you to smash things, it may be worth staying calm.
Now assuming the next US president is less in Russia’s pocket, that would be a good time to get tough with the USA. But for now, lets just get through trump and not make permanent changes for the sake of 1 us administration.
It’d be such a cathartic moment to leader stand up to him, contradict his lies and insults.
Zelensky is the only one I’ve seen do it, and was particularly ballsy considering it was not just standing up to Trump but others of his administration and a host of hostile press; and even more so knowing how much Ukraine depends on American aid.
Every time our leaders don’t stand up to him, it’s not just an opportunity missed, but it helps strengthen his hand. It makes one of the weakest, stupidest mean to ever lead a country, appear like a strongman leader.
It’s so fucking depressing.
I’ve heard enough reasons on „why“; I want to know some means about „how“.
Just Boycott everything American, it’s the way
>So it’s time for the EU to accept the reality that Trump is a bully and that he must be confronted as such. This may come with a short term cost and it will require clear leadership and communication from European leaders, especially from President von der Leyen – the only global leader in the EU institutions. She must engage in real debate with the European Parliament, starting next month in Strasbourg and must engage with Europeans via real media interviews in Brussels and across the national capitals, instead of hiding in the Berlaymont.
What really matters to Ursula is keeping her place as president, a debate in Strasbourg about that trade agreement could only weaken her position, much more if the media show all the contradictions and failures (for the EU) of the agreement. Of course, the agreement allows a few countries to keep a good chunk of their economy and jobs relatively safe, but at what cost?
Not only will it not work it will only encourage the use of the Sam tactics every time the tangerine tyrant decides he wants something. It’s a very slippery slope and the old idea of weathering the storm of a shitty administration in Washington no longer works.
Is it really the case that what was obvious to everyone – to fight back and conduct multi-round tough negotiations – is the right strategy, rather than agreeing to all the conditions and receiving even harsher ones?
Perhaps the EU Commission should take a course on „how to properly negotiate for beginners „.
The US has us at the balls on defense (Ukraine) and energy (LNG imports). We are not self-sufficient in these 2 topics and both EU and US knows it. We dont have a lot of cards unfortunately.
It would be nice if we, as a whole, came together and formed an Europe wide coalition that stood strong against Trump’s increasingly corrupt America.
Ideally EU would be exactly that but the will to resist seems to be missing and capitulation seems like the go to solution as of now.
Shouldn’t it start with standing up to Putin?
Considering the dismal record and likability of the DNC. It could be a decade of Trump policies that continue for quite some time.
People from countries that actually criticize and stand up to America are Venezuelans, Syrians, Serbians, Burkinabes, Malians & Nigeriens.
Europeans, Japanese, South Koreans, Australians, Gulf Arabs & Filipinos do what the White House says.
We have a very messy dynamic. On the one hand we have a bully ( Putin ) who is needlessly killing people and threatening all of Europe. On the other hand we have a child-bully ( Trump ) playing in a sandbox throwing sand at everyone who passes by, whether they appease him or not. So what to do ? Be nice to stand up to both, without losing Ukraine.
Appeasement NEVER woked, in history.
The delusional nature of this article aside, the E.U made this bed for themselves. This is what they chose. They had an opportunity to break from the U.S neocons (ironically like warmonger, John Bolton) going back to 2014 when the American C.I.A assisted in the Ukranian revolution. The E.U and European NATO countries leaned into that right behind the U.S neocons instead. Not only was it supported, those nations happily danced over Russia’s clear red line of no NATO entry for Ukraine, on the Russian border.
Obviously Putin is a despot and is not „the good guy“ but western Europe gave him the justification he desired for entry into Ukraine. At the same time, the industrial base of Europe was reliant on Russia’s piped gas. That arrangement was good as long as Ukraine wasn’t proxy’d by NATO because it granted especially Germany with the energy input necessary to compete globally. So they shot themselves in the foot by pushing NATO to the Russian border, then again by cutting off a key source of energy.
Then what did Germany do? They shut their nuclear power plants and began to buy more expensive gas, thus making themselves even less competitive. All of this combined with the fact that Europe has no military industrial capabilities and no real standing armies to speak of, and you end up here. The E.U is the architect of their own issues. Maybe the European bureaucrats can schedule a meeting at the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles so they can take a look at the real culprit of their dire situation.
realpolitik usually means strong countries sacrificing their own allies and treating them as pieces of shit for immidiate short-term geopolitical or economic rewards while sacrificing long-term trust and diplomatic relations with their most trustable and longest-held allies.
I’m cheering for Europe’s success, but I doubt Europeans are willing to eat the quality of life hit that would be involved in standing up to the US.