Thank you for giving the data for the whole populus as a context!
Various-Cooker on
So essentially this would disengage every argument of the right wing about them just coming here to profit from our social systems.
If only people were basing their opinion and arguments on facts instead of ideology.
PainInTheRhine on
Sounds like the often repeated ”but they are all young men” is actually something positive from economic perspective
MapPristine on
We need charts like that for all EU countries!
icankillpenguins on
Funny, tradwife is also a trend among Westerners 🙂
But generally not bad at all, however it says that the salaries are substantially lower than the average. Which usually means a skillset that is not very desired. This could also mean that when Germans do the nicer works, refugees do the shitty works. This can create social problems in the future.
SuggestionMedical736 on
Data has never been the problem. The problem is that the people who have an agenda only use the data selectively. Also, they always move the goal post.
See the Netherlands. The only country in the world where they scream that immigrants and their descendants are causing a wave of crime, while at the same time, they close 26 prisons because they have nobody to put in them as crime caused by immigrants dropped 60% over 20 years. It’s funny really.
ibmi_not_as400_kerim on
While I don’t condone seeing humans like a machines that are meant to make money, I would love to see the cost-benefit-ratio between an adult refugee vs a locally-born individual (doesn’t matter if ethnically German or not).
The average cost of education alone costs the government something along the lines of 140K Euros, before a German-born individual contributes to market activity (it takes even longer before they become a net contributor, if ever). Add to that other costs such as healthcare, tax deductions, etc. and you get a huge amount of investment per individual.
I suspect a refuge could be unemployed for 10+ years and then find a minimum wage job and would financially be a better ROI than the majority of locally-born persons.
Dietmeister on
30% unemployment rate for the populace 18-64? That cannot be, that’s insane
FourArmsFiveLegs on
Russia has been herding people from the Middle East and North Africa into Europe for over ten years now
figuring_ItOut12 on
The benefit of immigration is over the generations. And tasty food, he said knoshing on curry bratwurst.
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Turbulent_Worth_2509 on
Unemployment in the working age range is 30%? … That seems high.
sunkenwaaaaaa on
Did you know many visa types in germany don’t allow to work? I asked for a visa for studies, and was only given a visa „to search“ for studies, which didn’t allow me to work for 6 months, extended to 9 due to slow bureaucracy. All that time I could have had a student work, adding to the pension system and paying taxes, but I guess it’s more to make it hard for immigrants.
Acidburnsblue on
Problem is that countries like Denmark or the Netherlands have higher employment rates basically from day 1.
llamamanga on
Dont show this the Germans
thedarkpath on
Needs more upvotes 🙂
comradeofsteel69 on
Note that it’s only refugees from 2015 specifically not total refugees
Soggy_You_2426 on
I do not understand germany.
Teldryyyn0 on
that’s a good development
goyafrau on
So is the glas half full or half empty …
Intrepid_Bobcat_2931 on
I used a translation tool, but I could not find anywhere in the entire paper where they went into detail about the key question: How do they define „employed“?
If someone works 1 hour a week, would they be included here?
Correct me if I have missed it. If I haven’t missed it, how can someone call themselves an academic or write a paper like this without that?
No-Tomatillo3698 on
I am very much in favor of giving fugitives jobs from day 1. People need a sense of purpose and we can use the labor.
nilslorand on
imagine how much better those numbers could be if we actually cared about integration…
ShitlordMC on
Then it was all worth it.
Nunc27 on
First: This data is from the class of 2015. So obviously, all immigrant who were 54 years or older at that time are not counted in this number.
Given established trends, this means the group of migrants least likely to hold a job is excluded from this data.
Second: were do you get the 70% for whole Germany from? Participation rate is 80%, employment rate is 77% in Q1 2025. Given that migrants are included in the total number, the difference is slightly more than the simple difference of 77-64=13 %, which is already massive
Third: comparing this data to the german numbers for 15-64 without any adjustment is incorrect. Within this broad age group, it is well known that the ‘prime working age’ (20-45) has generally a higher participation rate than older working age group. (~50-64). Given that migrants are generally younger, not accounting for age distribution heavily favors the migrants in this comparison.
Upset_Following9017 on
How about employment rate for local women?
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Source of graph: https://iab.de/en/publications/publication/?id=15067601
Source of value for whole German population:
https://doku.iab.de/kurzber/2025/kb2025-17.pdf
Thank you for giving the data for the whole populus as a context!
So essentially this would disengage every argument of the right wing about them just coming here to profit from our social systems.
If only people were basing their opinion and arguments on facts instead of ideology.
Sounds like the often repeated ”but they are all young men” is actually something positive from economic perspective
We need charts like that for all EU countries!
Funny, tradwife is also a trend among Westerners 🙂
But generally not bad at all, however it says that the salaries are substantially lower than the average. Which usually means a skillset that is not very desired. This could also mean that when Germans do the nicer works, refugees do the shitty works. This can create social problems in the future.
Data has never been the problem. The problem is that the people who have an agenda only use the data selectively. Also, they always move the goal post.
See the Netherlands. The only country in the world where they scream that immigrants and their descendants are causing a wave of crime, while at the same time, they close 26 prisons because they have nobody to put in them as crime caused by immigrants dropped 60% over 20 years. It’s funny really.
While I don’t condone seeing humans like a machines that are meant to make money, I would love to see the cost-benefit-ratio between an adult refugee vs a locally-born individual (doesn’t matter if ethnically German or not).
The average cost of education alone costs the government something along the lines of 140K Euros, before a German-born individual contributes to market activity (it takes even longer before they become a net contributor, if ever). Add to that other costs such as healthcare, tax deductions, etc. and you get a huge amount of investment per individual.
I suspect a refuge could be unemployed for 10+ years and then find a minimum wage job and would financially be a better ROI than the majority of locally-born persons.
30% unemployment rate for the populace 18-64? That cannot be, that’s insane
Russia has been herding people from the Middle East and North Africa into Europe for over ten years now
The benefit of immigration is over the generations. And tasty food, he said knoshing on curry bratwurst.
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Unemployment in the working age range is 30%? … That seems high.
Did you know many visa types in germany don’t allow to work? I asked for a visa for studies, and was only given a visa „to search“ for studies, which didn’t allow me to work for 6 months, extended to 9 due to slow bureaucracy. All that time I could have had a student work, adding to the pension system and paying taxes, but I guess it’s more to make it hard for immigrants.
Problem is that countries like Denmark or the Netherlands have higher employment rates basically from day 1.
Dont show this the Germans
Needs more upvotes 🙂
Note that it’s only refugees from 2015 specifically not total refugees
I do not understand germany.
that’s a good development
So is the glas half full or half empty …
I used a translation tool, but I could not find anywhere in the entire paper where they went into detail about the key question: How do they define „employed“?
If someone works 1 hour a week, would they be included here?
Correct me if I have missed it. If I haven’t missed it, how can someone call themselves an academic or write a paper like this without that?
I am very much in favor of giving fugitives jobs from day 1. People need a sense of purpose and we can use the labor.
imagine how much better those numbers could be if we actually cared about integration…
Then it was all worth it.
First: This data is from the class of 2015. So obviously, all immigrant who were 54 years or older at that time are not counted in this number.
Given established trends, this means the group of migrants least likely to hold a job is excluded from this data.
Second: were do you get the 70% for whole Germany from? Participation rate is 80%, employment rate is 77% in Q1 2025. Given that migrants are included in the total number, the difference is slightly more than the simple difference of 77-64=13 %, which is already massive
Third: comparing this data to the german numbers for 15-64 without any adjustment is incorrect. Within this broad age group, it is well known that the ‘prime working age’ (20-45) has generally a higher participation rate than older working age group. (~50-64). Given that migrants are generally younger, not accounting for age distribution heavily favors the migrants in this comparison.
How about employment rate for local women?