I can pick a Williams score out a mile away. All his work is vaguely familiar.
Harry potter, home alone, disney films. His brass and string arrangements always give it away
bcmachine on
I think there’s a Gary Larson quote where he says he’s not really that into cartoons. I guess just because you can make a thing doesn’t automatically make you a consumer of it.
SamMarduk on
Goated thing to say
birdflag on
Jokes on him, because I like his movie music a lot.
FitDingo7818 on
I feel you. In my career I don’t consume anything about it outside of work
jazz4 on
If you take the bicycle chase from E.T as a standalone piece, that entire section of music is like a ballet. It’s so insanely well timed, constructed and weaving of all the films themes.
Film music as a genre has only gotten more and more popular with listeners and if anything I think it’s finally being seen for the art form it is.
John Williams has the right to say anything he likes though because he’s one of the best composers period, not just film composer.
The fact it’s functional and artful makes it even more interesting in my opinion.
Sam-Lowry27B-6 on
Winner of 5 Oscars and nominated 54 times….yeah he’s OK I guess…
Mr_Fossey on
I get it. I’m a graphic designer and I fucking hate the industry.
dumpster1983 on
I appreciate his POV, partly because it makes Jerry Goldsmith’s similar attitude seem like less of an outlier.
Plus, as someone who loves curmudgeons and/or curmudgeonly thinking, dismissing most of the great scores as having 8 good minutes at best is very funny to me.
Lfsnz67 on
I mean he’s not lying. It’s a business not an art form. It can just accidentally generate art
dtisme53 on
Paid well though.
FeilVei2 on
It makes perfect sense if you ask me. He wanted to make film music that he’d actually like!
1776cookies on
Now he tells us.
Late-Edge9039 on
I briefly worked in the film score industry, and it’s not at all how you dream it to be. Most directors already have a vision in mind, often built around existing music or soundtracks they’ve fallen in love with. A lot of the job ends up being less about creativity and more about recreating a vibe and sometimes outright ripping off other scores to match the mood they’re chasing. I’m not saying it’s always like that, but you have to be very particular about projects if you want it to not feel like a 9 to 5.
ExternalOk4293 on
He’s one of us. Just grinding away at a job he can make money at. Respect.
Independent-Drive-32 on
I think it’s because most people connect first and foremost to a melody but composers are most interested in the development of the melody, taking the original idea and expanding, complicating, breaking down, recreating the melody. There’s only so much time for that to happen in film music because before long the characters need to start talking again.
John Williams had a historically brilliant ability to create melodies but in his film music he didn’t have the opportunity to development them much (obviously he did a little bit, but not to the extent a 19th century composer would do in a symphony).
He also composed classical concert music, which has been played by the most celebrated orchestras, but that never was as popular as his film music. But I doubt he’s too bothered by all that. He had the opportunity to work at the highest conceivable level in both spaces, collaborating with the most supremely talented artists. Different people will prefer different things.
AsssHat999 on
I totally get it. Doesn’t make him any less iconic. The Superman theme, Indiana Jones, Jaws, fucking Star Wars. Amazing.
topbuttsteak on
I’ve always thought that the best, most groundbreaking artists must have just a little bit of contempt for the medium they’re working in. Why else would they strive to be so distinct from what came before them?
capnfoo on
Apparently many members of the Boston Pops were pissed off when he became their director because they felt the same way about playing movie scores.
kevendo on
Williams has openly said his work is derived from 19th Century symphonic poems and opera. The whole idea of character melodies is from that time or before.
In other words, I don’t think he ever thought of what he was making as new so much as appropriate to the story being told. A job, as the article says.
coldliketherockies on
He performs at tanglewood each year even in his 90s and he’s still truly amazing to watch
mskrabapel on
He also just seems like a guy who just focuses on the music and not the hoopla.
He was conducting the Pops playing the national anthem at a Red Sox game. The announcer kept going over his accolades and he just looked pissed off.
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I can pick a Williams score out a mile away. All his work is vaguely familiar.
Harry potter, home alone, disney films. His brass and string arrangements always give it away
I think there’s a Gary Larson quote where he says he’s not really that into cartoons. I guess just because you can make a thing doesn’t automatically make you a consumer of it.
Goated thing to say
Jokes on him, because I like his movie music a lot.
I feel you. In my career I don’t consume anything about it outside of work
If you take the bicycle chase from E.T as a standalone piece, that entire section of music is like a ballet. It’s so insanely well timed, constructed and weaving of all the films themes.
Film music as a genre has only gotten more and more popular with listeners and if anything I think it’s finally being seen for the art form it is.
John Williams has the right to say anything he likes though because he’s one of the best composers period, not just film composer.
The fact it’s functional and artful makes it even more interesting in my opinion.
Winner of 5 Oscars and nominated 54 times….yeah he’s OK I guess…
I get it. I’m a graphic designer and I fucking hate the industry.
I appreciate his POV, partly because it makes Jerry Goldsmith’s similar attitude seem like less of an outlier.
Plus, as someone who loves curmudgeons and/or curmudgeonly thinking, dismissing most of the great scores as having 8 good minutes at best is very funny to me.
I mean he’s not lying. It’s a business not an art form. It can just accidentally generate art
Paid well though.
It makes perfect sense if you ask me. He wanted to make film music that he’d actually like!
Now he tells us.
I briefly worked in the film score industry, and it’s not at all how you dream it to be. Most directors already have a vision in mind, often built around existing music or soundtracks they’ve fallen in love with. A lot of the job ends up being less about creativity and more about recreating a vibe and sometimes outright ripping off other scores to match the mood they’re chasing. I’m not saying it’s always like that, but you have to be very particular about projects if you want it to not feel like a 9 to 5.
He’s one of us. Just grinding away at a job he can make money at. Respect.
I think it’s because most people connect first and foremost to a melody but composers are most interested in the development of the melody, taking the original idea and expanding, complicating, breaking down, recreating the melody. There’s only so much time for that to happen in film music because before long the characters need to start talking again.
John Williams had a historically brilliant ability to create melodies but in his film music he didn’t have the opportunity to development them much (obviously he did a little bit, but not to the extent a 19th century composer would do in a symphony).
He also composed classical concert music, which has been played by the most celebrated orchestras, but that never was as popular as his film music. But I doubt he’s too bothered by all that. He had the opportunity to work at the highest conceivable level in both spaces, collaborating with the most supremely talented artists. Different people will prefer different things.
I totally get it. Doesn’t make him any less iconic. The Superman theme, Indiana Jones, Jaws, fucking Star Wars. Amazing.
I’ve always thought that the best, most groundbreaking artists must have just a little bit of contempt for the medium they’re working in. Why else would they strive to be so distinct from what came before them?
Apparently many members of the Boston Pops were pissed off when he became their director because they felt the same way about playing movie scores.
Williams has openly said his work is derived from 19th Century symphonic poems and opera. The whole idea of character melodies is from that time or before.
In other words, I don’t think he ever thought of what he was making as new so much as appropriate to the story being told. A job, as the article says.
He performs at tanglewood each year even in his 90s and he’s still truly amazing to watch
He also just seems like a guy who just focuses on the music and not the hoopla.
He was conducting the Pops playing the national anthem at a Red Sox game. The announcer kept going over his accolades and he just looked pissed off.