Dropping two atomic bombs was one hell of a negotiation…
MourningRIF on
> After sidestepping the implications of Ukraine having to make territorial concessions, Vance then suggested that finding “middle ground” was “how wars ultimately get settled.”
> He outlined, “If you go back to World War Two, if you go back to World War One. If you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation.”
> Unfortunately for Vance, the Second World War was not negotiated to an end, but came to a close with the unconditional surrender of Germany on May 7, 1945, and Japan on September 2, 1945.
He wants Ukraine to give up territory and negotiate away their ability to defend themselves. That’s called surrender, not negotiation.
Angstrom_Wither on
Even giving Vance all the credit in the world (which I will only do this once), the negotiations he’s alluding to at the end of the second World War are exactly why Putin is parking tanks in Ukraine right now.
So, J(erk)D(oofus), even if we forget that America dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians, the negotiations are *not* something to be excited about, historically.
bytemage on
When a Republican robs a bank it’s actually just a negotiation to transfer funds.
Yeah WWII negotiation with nazis famously worked like gangbusters
Shobed on
I seem to remember the phrase ‘unconditional surrender’ being associated with WWII, not ‘let’s negotiate.’
solaramalgama on
I’m sure he actually does know, guys like that are always weird about WW2, he just wishes the Axis hadn’t shit the bed.
ImLikeReallySmart on
Can we stop calling these things „mistakes“ and also stop assuming they ever get „embarrassed“ by them?
mishma2005 on
It wasn’t a mistake, it was intentional. He’s banking on a majority of Americans not knowing or caring because the US education system is shit
Any_Cardiologist6972 on
Remember when Vance compared Trump to Hitler? Now he needs to justify mistakes of his boss.
GentleGerbil on
This man should never be president. As fucking dumb as his boss
Dry-Interaction-1246 on
Boss, would you like me to apply more lube to Satan’s asshole?
doodlar on
Stick to couches, ol JD.
BlueRFR3100 on
The US civil war ended with surrender.
Migrant-With-MK47 on
Fucking idiot.
WW2 had no concessions.
We bombed two of Japans cities with nukes. And Russia raped its way to Berlin AND Germany was split up for a few decades.
Dumb fucking idiot.
Starboard_Pete on
We’re in a post-truth society. These people can’t be shamed for either making shit up about important historical facts, or deliberately bending context. He doesn’t care. He’s in power and you’re not, that’s what matters to them. And because he’s in power, he feels justified to say/do whatever.
farfromjordan on
Crazy how they error on the side of fascism every time
augustusleonus on
Why did Biden make him say that?
Jackpot777 on
Do you remember when Republicans tried really hard to make people believe they weren’t for appeasement like Neville Chamberlain in WW2?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
ChaChiBaio on
Negotiations in Europe occurred prior to WW2. We saw how that ended.
rounder55 on
People should be embarrassed that they voted for a couple of dukbasses
Unfortunately self awareness is not a strong point among many Americans
KnotSoSalty on
WW2 began with a negotiation where the large Western powers asked an Eastern European nation to cede much of its territory and most of its defensive infrastructure to its aggressive fascist neighbor.
6 months later Germany took the rest of now defenseless Czechoslovakia. 6 months after that WW2 officially began with the invasion of Poland, where German troops rode in captured Czech tanks.
Accomplished_Sci on
It wasn’t a mistake
Acrobatic-Tomato-128 on
Every single time this moron speaks he embarrasses himself
Its kind of insane how stupid this baby faced douchebag is
MonkeyFlowerFace on
It’s only „embarrassing“ for him if people actually know history, which apparently a lot of us don’t.
MrSnrub_92 on
American Vice President doesn’t know basic American History
Crunch_Munch- on
Don’t care. Trump is still a pedophile
ProgressBartender on
Technically World War I was also not negotiated, Germany lost and reparations were imposed on them by the British, French and U.S. The negotiations were between the victors.
mamasannoway on
Never any kickback from the useless Kristen welker.
pfft12 on
He’s wearing orange makeup. I know it doesn’t matter, but that’s clearly make up, like his boss wears.
offrampturtles on
Something that irks me about Vance is his bullshit machismo energy. He forces toughness and masculinity, but deep down is a total dork. The furrowed brows, awkward profanity, etc are all so embarassing and I don’t understand how more right wingers don’t see through it. Dude is a total dweeb.
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Dropping two atomic bombs was one hell of a negotiation…
> After sidestepping the implications of Ukraine having to make territorial concessions, Vance then suggested that finding “middle ground” was “how wars ultimately get settled.”
> He outlined, “If you go back to World War Two, if you go back to World War One. If you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation.”
> Unfortunately for Vance, the Second World War was not negotiated to an end, but came to a close with the unconditional surrender of Germany on May 7, 1945, and Japan on September 2, 1945.
He wants Ukraine to give up territory and negotiate away their ability to defend themselves. That’s called surrender, not negotiation.
Even giving Vance all the credit in the world (which I will only do this once), the negotiations he’s alluding to at the end of the second World War are exactly why Putin is parking tanks in Ukraine right now.
So, J(erk)D(oofus), even if we forget that America dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians, the negotiations are *not* something to be excited about, historically.
When a Republican robs a bank it’s actually just a negotiation to transfer funds.
[BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: ‚Peace for our time‘ – Chamberlain](http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/30/newsid_3115000/3115476.stm)
Yeah WWII negotiation with nazis famously worked like gangbusters
I seem to remember the phrase ‘unconditional surrender’ being associated with WWII, not ‘let’s negotiate.’
I’m sure he actually does know, guys like that are always weird about WW2, he just wishes the Axis hadn’t shit the bed.
Can we stop calling these things „mistakes“ and also stop assuming they ever get „embarrassed“ by them?
It wasn’t a mistake, it was intentional. He’s banking on a majority of Americans not knowing or caring because the US education system is shit
Remember when Vance compared Trump to Hitler? Now he needs to justify mistakes of his boss.
This man should never be president. As fucking dumb as his boss
Boss, would you like me to apply more lube to Satan’s asshole?
Stick to couches, ol JD.
The US civil war ended with surrender.
Fucking idiot.
WW2 had no concessions.
We bombed two of Japans cities with nukes. And Russia raped its way to Berlin AND Germany was split up for a few decades.
Dumb fucking idiot.
We’re in a post-truth society. These people can’t be shamed for either making shit up about important historical facts, or deliberately bending context. He doesn’t care. He’s in power and you’re not, that’s what matters to them. And because he’s in power, he feels justified to say/do whatever.
Crazy how they error on the side of fascism every time
Why did Biden make him say that?
Do you remember when Republicans tried really hard to make people believe they weren’t for appeasement like Neville Chamberlain in WW2?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Negotiations in Europe occurred prior to WW2. We saw how that ended.
People should be embarrassed that they voted for a couple of dukbasses
Unfortunately self awareness is not a strong point among many Americans
WW2 began with a negotiation where the large Western powers asked an Eastern European nation to cede much of its territory and most of its defensive infrastructure to its aggressive fascist neighbor.
6 months later Germany took the rest of now defenseless Czechoslovakia. 6 months after that WW2 officially began with the invasion of Poland, where German troops rode in captured Czech tanks.
It wasn’t a mistake
Every single time this moron speaks he embarrasses himself
Its kind of insane how stupid this baby faced douchebag is
It’s only „embarrassing“ for him if people actually know history, which apparently a lot of us don’t.
American Vice President doesn’t know basic American History
Don’t care. Trump is still a pedophile
Technically World War I was also not negotiated, Germany lost and reparations were imposed on them by the British, French and U.S. The negotiations were between the victors.
Never any kickback from the useless Kristen welker.
He’s wearing orange makeup. I know it doesn’t matter, but that’s clearly make up, like his boss wears.
Something that irks me about Vance is his bullshit machismo energy. He forces toughness and masculinity, but deep down is a total dork. The furrowed brows, awkward profanity, etc are all so embarassing and I don’t understand how more right wingers don’t see through it. Dude is a total dweeb.