Why cave? They know they can roll over this govt easily. The Conservatives will win the messaging on this one.
polnikes on
What are we getting in return is the main question here. If this is part of a more solid deal, great! If not, Carney’s going to struggle to keep his image as an effective negotiator.
SterlingAdmiral on
The largest consumer in the world has a lot of leverage, I don’t know how people didn’t see this coming. Pivoting to other consumer markets isn’t something that can happen over night, and our economy does *not* have the flexibility to weather pain for long. This was inevitable.
Jaigg on
As long as we keep pivoting away from the US I have no issue with this. Tariffs are a tax on Canadians not the other way around. I will still refuse to buy American or go to that hell hole.
Past_Distribution144 on
Ah, whatever. Still not buying U.S goods if I have alternate choices. If most of Canada follows that mindset, they won’t stock their goods regardless.
thecheesecakemans on
The worst part is that we know Olive Branches do NOT work with Trump. An hour after we pull these, the White House press lady will go up and proclaim how they have won thanks to Trump’s awesome negotiating skills. Canada has caved like the weaklings they are. They might even make another 51st state statement. It’s sickening.
The fact is these were working against Red States, last week we heard from Florida Orange Juice makers crying about their inventory not moving.
Yes, there is pain on our side, but who started this again? Everyone seems to forget that.
Law_of_the_jungle on
I mean, in a way, I think the Buy Canadian/Not American movement is strong enough on it’s own now to exert economic pressure.
I don’t think we have the full picture, but American media will certainly try to paint this as capitulation.
topspinvan on
I know people like to frame this trade war in terms of who’s „winning“ or „caving“, but imposing tariffs on foreign goods really just hurt our businesses and consumers. The idea is to basically bite off your nose to spite your face.
The US doesn’t „win“ by imposing big tariffs on us and having us have lesser tariffs on them. Their economy will take a hit. It just hurts them less than it hurts us.
lavalamp360 on
Here’s the thing with retaliatory tariffs. We all know (except a lot of Americans apparently) that the country importing the goods pays the tariff. So if a Canadian company imports goods from the USA, they would have to pay an extra tax to the Canadian government. This hurts the Canadian business‘ income. The reason for doing a tariff is to financially incentivize Canadians and Canadian businesses to buy domestic products instead.
In Canada though… We have this thing called the „mass boycott“ going on that is taking place at the grassroots level. Canadian consumers are already voluntarily avoiding American products without the need for a tariff to encourage them to buy domestic. So the retaliatory tariffs more than anything hurt the Canadian businesses that have their inputs come either from the USA or a supply chain that runs through the USA. At this point the trade-off isn’t worth it from the retaliatory tariffs and we are just hurting ourselves with them. Thanks to the boycott though, we can benefit from increased domestic demand without the need for tariffs.
Grizz709 on
I don’t know, man. I feel like this was always going to happen. I changed my vote based on the experience of possible negotiation tactics and education. I guess the jokes on me.
Jazzlike_770 on
Look, if we have to retaliate, we need to put a surcharge on exports, not tariff on imports. Tarrifs are a tax on Canadians. We should have additional tax on businesses which export to US and refuse to diversify.
Additionally, we can continue to do elbows up and just not consume the unhygienic food stuff coming from USA and avoid travel, education and other consumption ( including juice and alcohol) from there. That is unofficial and we can still get our way.
Maximum_Error3083 on
lol so funny.
5 months ago I was saying retaliatory tariffs were idiotic and all of the liberal supporting voters said that made me a MAGA sympathizer. They literally ran an entire campaign on sticking it to the US
Now that they see what was always obvious the same people defend it. Welcome to the party, some of us were here months ago.
bcbuddy on
The Digital Sales Tax was given up for nothing in return
Now removing most of the retaliatory tariffs for nothing in return
Can someone explain what the government’s negotiation strategy is here?
Habbernaut on
I think the reality is that America is going to do anything it can to destroy us economically.
Carney knows this and I honestly don’t think he can do anything about it.
Tariffs on our own companies aren’t going to help anything.
It’s going to be a wild decade..
IllustriousNorth338 on
If it’s removing the tariffs on CUSMA-compliant goods then that’s fine, we should honour our deals.
What I want to know is what we get out of it. Does this help our small businesses survive or will they crash anyway because of US tariffs? Will the US reduce tariffs in response? Will this be part of a smoothing-out with the US for an incoming trade deal?
If we get none of those things, in addition to austerity, worsening trade relations, AI automation looming large in the background ready to destroy jobs, and more lukewarm attempts at trade diversification, then it’s just capitulation and both the LPC and CPC were playing the Canadian people for suckers.
papawarbucks on
We’re looking more and more like a 51st state by the month. Everyone defending this saying it’s for the best of Canadians: you need to look beyond financial prosperity. If it’s all about the money then we would actually be better off as a state. The united states has an authoritarian government in place today. The only Canada I’m proud to be a part of is one that resists and discourages that government’s policies wherever possible, even at cost to itself.
AlanYx on
One positive of all this shifting tariff chaos is that CBSA doesn’t really seem to be assessing duties on imports from non-US countries as they used to. I imagine all the human resources are focusing on US source goods. I’ve had several shipments now from Japan, including one high value shipment, in the last couple months and none have been assessed duties or GST. The last non-US source import where I’ve actually had to pay anything was a shipment from France, but it seems to be less common.
KvotheG on
I’m calling it now. Carney won’t run for a second term. In politics, you have to eat a lot of shit. And Carney hates eating shit.
I just hope he still does as much good as possible.
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A terrible thing to do.
Why cave? They know they can roll over this govt easily. The Conservatives will win the messaging on this one.
What are we getting in return is the main question here. If this is part of a more solid deal, great! If not, Carney’s going to struggle to keep his image as an effective negotiator.
The largest consumer in the world has a lot of leverage, I don’t know how people didn’t see this coming. Pivoting to other consumer markets isn’t something that can happen over night, and our economy does *not* have the flexibility to weather pain for long. This was inevitable.
As long as we keep pivoting away from the US I have no issue with this. Tariffs are a tax on Canadians not the other way around. I will still refuse to buy American or go to that hell hole.
Ah, whatever. Still not buying U.S goods if I have alternate choices. If most of Canada follows that mindset, they won’t stock their goods regardless.
The worst part is that we know Olive Branches do NOT work with Trump. An hour after we pull these, the White House press lady will go up and proclaim how they have won thanks to Trump’s awesome negotiating skills. Canada has caved like the weaklings they are. They might even make another 51st state statement. It’s sickening.
The fact is these were working against Red States, last week we heard from Florida Orange Juice makers crying about their inventory not moving.
Yes, there is pain on our side, but who started this again? Everyone seems to forget that.
I mean, in a way, I think the Buy Canadian/Not American movement is strong enough on it’s own now to exert economic pressure.
I don’t think we have the full picture, but American media will certainly try to paint this as capitulation.
I know people like to frame this trade war in terms of who’s „winning“ or „caving“, but imposing tariffs on foreign goods really just hurt our businesses and consumers. The idea is to basically bite off your nose to spite your face.
The US doesn’t „win“ by imposing big tariffs on us and having us have lesser tariffs on them. Their economy will take a hit. It just hurts them less than it hurts us.
Here’s the thing with retaliatory tariffs. We all know (except a lot of Americans apparently) that the country importing the goods pays the tariff. So if a Canadian company imports goods from the USA, they would have to pay an extra tax to the Canadian government. This hurts the Canadian business‘ income. The reason for doing a tariff is to financially incentivize Canadians and Canadian businesses to buy domestic products instead.
In Canada though… We have this thing called the „mass boycott“ going on that is taking place at the grassroots level. Canadian consumers are already voluntarily avoiding American products without the need for a tariff to encourage them to buy domestic. So the retaliatory tariffs more than anything hurt the Canadian businesses that have their inputs come either from the USA or a supply chain that runs through the USA. At this point the trade-off isn’t worth it from the retaliatory tariffs and we are just hurting ourselves with them. Thanks to the boycott though, we can benefit from increased domestic demand without the need for tariffs.
I don’t know, man. I feel like this was always going to happen. I changed my vote based on the experience of possible negotiation tactics and education. I guess the jokes on me.
Look, if we have to retaliate, we need to put a surcharge on exports, not tariff on imports. Tarrifs are a tax on Canadians. We should have additional tax on businesses which export to US and refuse to diversify.
Additionally, we can continue to do elbows up and just not consume the unhygienic food stuff coming from USA and avoid travel, education and other consumption ( including juice and alcohol) from there. That is unofficial and we can still get our way.
lol so funny.
5 months ago I was saying retaliatory tariffs were idiotic and all of the liberal supporting voters said that made me a MAGA sympathizer. They literally ran an entire campaign on sticking it to the US
Now that they see what was always obvious the same people defend it. Welcome to the party, some of us were here months ago.
The Digital Sales Tax was given up for nothing in return
Now removing most of the retaliatory tariffs for nothing in return
Can someone explain what the government’s negotiation strategy is here?
I think the reality is that America is going to do anything it can to destroy us economically.
Carney knows this and I honestly don’t think he can do anything about it.
Tariffs on our own companies aren’t going to help anything.
It’s going to be a wild decade..
If it’s removing the tariffs on CUSMA-compliant goods then that’s fine, we should honour our deals.
What I want to know is what we get out of it. Does this help our small businesses survive or will they crash anyway because of US tariffs? Will the US reduce tariffs in response? Will this be part of a smoothing-out with the US for an incoming trade deal?
If we get none of those things, in addition to austerity, worsening trade relations, AI automation looming large in the background ready to destroy jobs, and more lukewarm attempts at trade diversification, then it’s just capitulation and both the LPC and CPC were playing the Canadian people for suckers.
We’re looking more and more like a 51st state by the month. Everyone defending this saying it’s for the best of Canadians: you need to look beyond financial prosperity. If it’s all about the money then we would actually be better off as a state. The united states has an authoritarian government in place today. The only Canada I’m proud to be a part of is one that resists and discourages that government’s policies wherever possible, even at cost to itself.
One positive of all this shifting tariff chaos is that CBSA doesn’t really seem to be assessing duties on imports from non-US countries as they used to. I imagine all the human resources are focusing on US source goods. I’ve had several shipments now from Japan, including one high value shipment, in the last couple months and none have been assessed duties or GST. The last non-US source import where I’ve actually had to pay anything was a shipment from France, but it seems to be less common.
I’m calling it now. Carney won’t run for a second term. In politics, you have to eat a lot of shit. And Carney hates eating shit.
I just hope he still does as much good as possible.