If any of you are in a toxic relationship like this, or any kind, just pack it up and get as far away from the situation that is humanly possible. You will feel uprooted, full of self doubt and hate yourself for a good long while, but it is the healthy thing to do in the long run.
No_Conversation_9325 on
It’s a matter of time, before people start getting killed live for likes and followers.
Sensitive_Pitch_4456 on
Streaming is the lowest of lows. Essentially leechlike snotty kids telling you what to do and you do it for money. Ridiculous.
razernaga1 on
And that yes, Pormanove most likely died due to this streaming marathon, sleep deprivation and physical abuse from co streamers and complications from his heart problems. Here’s a recap with video evidence (No corpse or death pictured BUT UPSETTING PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE BE CAREFUL)
• He died during a 10 day streaming marathon in which they couldnt stop streaming until finishing a game while being woken up constantly by various horrible methods despite his heart problems, methods seen here : https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957486356650991802
• He was progressively physically and mentally abused for years by his co-streamers Owen („Naruto“) and Safine and others (humiliations, strangulations, beaten, shot at with paintball guns, etc). Examples : 1. Trying to strangle him for as long as possible https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957444740573536477 2. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957445390338294142 3. https://x.com/Leerooy0/status/1938988409210486846 4. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957445729263169659 5. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957446313672372697 6. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957443980582322526 7. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957446313672372697 8. https://x.com/leerooy0/status/1957476962110415002 9. Streaming themselves purposedly driving 50 MPH over speed bumps with Pormanove in the trunk of their car.
• After 10 days of a streaming/bullying marathon, viewers sent donations to wake up his co streamers because Pormanove had stopped moving for a while, the co-streamer’s first reaction was to throw a bottle on his face and then slap his body.
• Why is there so much footage? Because this happened for YEARS, initially on twitch then it was on the biggest French Kick channel with 190k followers and topping around 20k viewers. The more unhinged they grew the more money they made. Donations encouraged the bullying, creating a vicious cycle.
• Kick’s french x account used to promote their stream non-stop and even make fun of him https://x.com/KLRski/status/1957487988331671955
• Basically: multiple people exploited a vulnerable, isolated middle aged guy who may have had a disability according to press, bullied him on stream for content, saw it generated views and money, psychologically and physically abused him for years, manipulated him, pressured him financially & psychologically whenever he wanted to leave, until it progressed to a point where they even disregarded his heart issues, all for money and all streamed in HD.
• They knew about his heart problems and that he was taking medication for it, it was mentioned multiple times on stream. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957456609526833354/video/2 here they hit him while he understandly shouts at them that he has to take his medication.
• They would also often make him cry on stream : https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957447559921697114https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957438462337945839https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957456609526833354/video/1
• Prior to streaming, he used to live with his 70 yo mother and was unemployed. He was spotted raging while streaming fortnite by Owen, who offered him to come and stream with him and Safine. The bullying started progressively, the content being trying to get a reaction out of him, and it became more and more intense the more attention they got and the more money they made. Whenever he had enough and wanted to stop a „challenge“, they would threaten to evict him from the flat he lived in (owned by Owen), or saying they „saved him“ and that he was nothing without them. Or tell him he’s not man enough, or sometimes prevent him physically from leaving. They would also dangle streaming income as mean of achieving his dream of having a wife and children after years of loneliness. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957457938047434784https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957448577237618743
• Pormanove’s mother, 70 years old, was often calling on stream to beg his son to leave after humiliations while his co-streamers made fun of it. They would also call her themselves https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957471515651305716
• Last words to his mom via text were :
Hey Mom. How are you? I’m completely stuck with his game. It’s going too far. I feel like I’m held hostage with their shit concept. I’m sick of it, I want to leave, but he does not want to let me, he keeps me from leaving, he is sequestrating me
• How do we know that? Because Owen snatched his phone and read all his texts with his mother aloud to chat while mocking him https://x.com/ImpactMediaFR/status/1957522649879302450
• In January 2025, Owen and Safine were in police custody for suspicion of abuse of people with disabilities, as another person abused by them on stream is „Coudoux“, a disabled person. It’s unclear from the press articles if Pormanove had a disability himself or not, but he was definitely a very vulnerable person. Anyway, they simply denied the accusations and nothing was done after that
Honestly I hope that some international attention will help bring justice for Jean Pormanove (real name Raphaël Graven) more switfly. RIP. Some people reported it to government and police for years. One can find french threads predicting that bad things would happen. It is so shocking I also hope there won’t be another case like that.
SamyMerchi on
They won’t get to keep the profits will they??
swolleneyelid on
didn’t they make a black mirror episode about this… streaming while humiliating and torturing yourself to make money
SaraHHHBK on
This is so sad.
Why did no one call the police? Why did the platform not ban them?
We need to take these things more seriously because sadly they are going to keep happening more and more.
PixelThirstTrap on
Honestly this feels like modern day gladiator stuff. People watched someone get tortured for entertainment, and the line between “content” and “crime” got completely erased.
This shouldn’t be happening
_yotsuna_ on
The streaming site (Kick) he was on not only ignored the abuse but promoted it too via their official Twitter/X account and made memes of his torture, so they can’t feign ignorance.
Kurainuz on
I was wondering how tf did this happen, then i read the platform: Kick.
Ofcourse it was that shit hole
Oceanbird-OG on
Insane how close to a real live Squid Game-adjacent situation we are living
Hold the platforms accountable. With AI I’m sure they have tools to detect violance and report it automayically.
Also streamers should have a disctreet SOS button, which can be triggered by streamer.
syntholslayer on
Terrible.
The perpetrators and KICK should be held responsible.
SmallGreenArmadillo on
This paints such a bleak picture. People need to start getting arrested, including everyone who encouraged this
Fearless-Resort-4596 on
>In January 2025, Naruto and Safine were taken into custody on suspicion of producing live videos of the humiliation of vulnerable people before being released the same day of their arrest.
So they just let this happen, no report no law enforcement whatsoever?
How does this work, on kick of all platforms as I don’t know anything about that
Maxholsen on
This is sickening to watch. I don’t get the joy in watching someone screaming in pain. And people were even donating money for this… I hope these high school bullies who never grew up get what they deserve
Hairy_Addendum7789 on
What what what
iwanttest on
I hope this at least ends up with authorities being more serious with what’s going on with these platforms, poor guy.
In Spain we have a case which will probably end up in a similar way. [Simón](https://www.eldiario.es/era/black-mirror-simon-perez-espiral-autodestruccion-directo-asesor-hipotecas-tipo-fijo_1_12522731.html), who was originally a somewhat known economist, was initially made a meme when he and his gf published a video where they were clearly on drugs. Since then, he ended up as a streamer, where the audience pretty much donate so that he keeps on using (heavy) drugs, do stupid „challenges“ and so on. It’s obviously happening on Kick now, these companies should be made responsible ASAP.
ivo200094 on
This is straight out of a Black Mirror episode.
Everyone watching and enjoying such content should be an accomplice and there should be big consequences for everyone involved and everyone that enabled them and watched/donated money
It’s honestly sick finding enjoyment in watching someone with problems get tortured live.
Inadover on
Hope they get charged with murder and spend their lives in prison, but I doubt it. I doubt it even more that Kick will face any repercussions, when they should all go to prison as well tbh.
Zomod on
Money, money, money, it’s all there is. Fuck kindness, fuck empathy, as long as I can make some money, right ? I hate this timeline.
kowlown on
Black Mirror isn’t supposed to be a blueprint….
absorbTheEcho on
I hope they and everyone who attempts to replicate this rot in jail forever.
I hate that there’s people out there paying to watch this type of streams. Their enablers and guilty as much as the 2 who fisically tortured him for months. Disgusting human beings.
RIP to this poor man
Patamaudelay on
Kick needs to be shut down forever.
OverlappingChatter on
I don’t understand at all.
3st3banfr on
The title is wrong,
It’s not „month“, it’s „years“
this has been going for like at least 3 years and everyone here in France always knew about this but Kick just did nothing (and even was with it to some extent because they advertised the streamers a lot)
Direct_Signature_256 on
Jesus christ this is what streaming world does to the fuckers for content. No matter if its kick or twitch or any other. Torture for content I feel bad for that French streamer
SavageRabbitX on
Why did he put up with that shit? Did he have developmental issues?
RedThe_Rider on
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Hour-Mistake-5235 on
They are making easy for the rest of us to make a list of psychos. Basically put the name of everyone involved in the matter on a list (the two streamers, anyone who watched or supported this content, the streaming platform patrons), create a register, and ban all the people on that register to get any significant role in our society apart from doing any job that none of us want to do, as long as that job doesn’t involve any leading role or responsibility over other people. Just force them to be in the hardest and most socially isolated jobs for life for the minimum pay.
furrywrestler on
Why does this sound like a really depressing episode of Black Mirror? What the fuck? I hope the perpetrators suffer the maximum sentence, and there needs to be something done to the chatters that paid money to encourage this.
RandomBlackMetalFan on
I saw the stream chat screenshot and it was fucking sick
They were fucking laughing and saying „lol he is dead“
RedEyed__ on
This is sad, reminds me alkaida terrorists or something similar, but this time it’s regular citizens, I guess?
VanLunturu on
Wow, my heart physically hurt reading that top comment, didn’t even finish reading it all. I didn’t even know this stuff existed and I feel sad for even having clicked on this Reddit post.
I’m not even surprised by the fact there’s people that are so morally empty they’d do these things for money, I’m more shocked by the fact there was actually a huge market/audience for this and that the structure that facilitated this could exist for so long
AmbitiousReaction168 on
Fucking tragic. As someone who grew up in France and was bullied for years – with no reaction from adults around me – this story doesn’t surprise me sadly.
flipperkip97 on
How the fuck does this even happen? Watched one of those clips of the guy getting strangled and he’s screaming „Stop!“ over and over again. Then they eventually stop and act like everything is normal. What the fuck?!
AramisFR on
Investigations will last either 10 minutes or 10 years and nothing serious will happen.
Killers will hire a good lawyer with their income, will profusely apologize in court, and get suspended sentences at best.
Livid_Tadpole_6224 on
This is the most heartbreaking thing I have ever heard. I can only say that he is hopefully in a better place now. His abusers should be trialed for murder or at least manslaughter and the money goes to his mother. This was a serious case of it’s okay to very strongly say „NO!“ and if they refuse then call the police.
The fans were a part of the issue. While I understand that it is easy to get caught up on cheap entertainment and easy to think everyone is okay, remember that people are humans. If he didn’t die from the awful abuse, then it would have been something else like suicide. RIP. Another preventable death. Hopefully their will be serious change in France and on streaming sites.
VergeofAtlanticism on
jesus how awful
Hottage on
Thats some Cyberpunk dystopia shit if ever I heard it. 😞
Hope Kick gets absolutely destroyed for supporting and promoting this.
nimsuc on
This is horrifying, it’s basically a Black Mirror episode.
TheSilverWickersnap on
Evil evil people
ProfessionalSad4U on
I can’t even bring myself to finish reading that list. That is all beyond fucked up. Why was that happening? Why were people watching it? Wtf?
CutCrane on
A lot of people need to go to prison..
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If any of you are in a toxic relationship like this, or any kind, just pack it up and get as far away from the situation that is humanly possible. You will feel uprooted, full of self doubt and hate yourself for a good long while, but it is the healthy thing to do in the long run.
It’s a matter of time, before people start getting killed live for likes and followers.
Streaming is the lowest of lows. Essentially leechlike snotty kids telling you what to do and you do it for money. Ridiculous.
And that yes, Pormanove most likely died due to this streaming marathon, sleep deprivation and physical abuse from co streamers and complications from his heart problems. Here’s a recap with video evidence (No corpse or death pictured BUT UPSETTING PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE BE CAREFUL)
• He died during a 10 day streaming marathon in which they couldnt stop streaming until finishing a game while being woken up constantly by various horrible methods despite his heart problems, methods seen here : https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957486356650991802
• He was progressively physically and mentally abused for years by his co-streamers Owen („Naruto“) and Safine and others (humiliations, strangulations, beaten, shot at with paintball guns, etc). Examples : 1. Trying to strangle him for as long as possible https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957444740573536477 2. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957445390338294142 3. https://x.com/Leerooy0/status/1938988409210486846 4. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957445729263169659 5. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957446313672372697 6. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957443980582322526 7. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957446313672372697 8. https://x.com/leerooy0/status/1957476962110415002 9. Streaming themselves purposedly driving 50 MPH over speed bumps with Pormanove in the trunk of their car.
• After 10 days of a streaming/bullying marathon, viewers sent donations to wake up his co streamers because Pormanove had stopped moving for a while, the co-streamer’s first reaction was to throw a bottle on his face and then slap his body.
• Why is there so much footage? Because this happened for YEARS, initially on twitch then it was on the biggest French Kick channel with 190k followers and topping around 20k viewers. The more unhinged they grew the more money they made. Donations encouraged the bullying, creating a vicious cycle.
• Kick’s french x account used to promote their stream non-stop and even make fun of him https://x.com/KLRski/status/1957487988331671955
• Basically: multiple people exploited a vulnerable, isolated middle aged guy who may have had a disability according to press, bullied him on stream for content, saw it generated views and money, psychologically and physically abused him for years, manipulated him, pressured him financially & psychologically whenever he wanted to leave, until it progressed to a point where they even disregarded his heart issues, all for money and all streamed in HD.
• They knew about his heart problems and that he was taking medication for it, it was mentioned multiple times on stream. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957456609526833354/video/2 here they hit him while he understandly shouts at them that he has to take his medication.
• They would also often make him cry on stream : https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957447559921697114 https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957438462337945839 https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957456609526833354/video/1
• Prior to streaming, he used to live with his 70 yo mother and was unemployed. He was spotted raging while streaming fortnite by Owen, who offered him to come and stream with him and Safine. The bullying started progressively, the content being trying to get a reaction out of him, and it became more and more intense the more attention they got and the more money they made. Whenever he had enough and wanted to stop a „challenge“, they would threaten to evict him from the flat he lived in (owned by Owen), or saying they „saved him“ and that he was nothing without them. Or tell him he’s not man enough, or sometimes prevent him physically from leaving. They would also dangle streaming income as mean of achieving his dream of having a wife and children after years of loneliness. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957457938047434784 https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957448577237618743
• Pormanove’s mother, 70 years old, was often calling on stream to beg his son to leave after humiliations while his co-streamers made fun of it. They would also call her themselves https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957471515651305716
• Last words to his mom via text were :
Hey Mom. How are you? I’m completely stuck with his game. It’s going too far. I feel like I’m held hostage with their shit concept. I’m sick of it, I want to leave, but he does not want to let me, he keeps me from leaving, he is sequestrating me
• How do we know that? Because Owen snatched his phone and read all his texts with his mother aloud to chat while mocking him https://x.com/ImpactMediaFR/status/1957522649879302450
• In January 2025, Owen and Safine were in police custody for suspicion of abuse of people with disabilities, as another person abused by them on stream is „Coudoux“, a disabled person. It’s unclear from the press articles if Pormanove had a disability himself or not, but he was definitely a very vulnerable person. Anyway, they simply denied the accusations and nothing was done after that
Honestly I hope that some international attention will help bring justice for Jean Pormanove (real name Raphaël Graven) more switfly. RIP. Some people reported it to government and police for years. One can find french threads predicting that bad things would happen. It is so shocking I also hope there won’t be another case like that.
They won’t get to keep the profits will they??
didn’t they make a black mirror episode about this… streaming while humiliating and torturing yourself to make money
This is so sad.
Why did no one call the police? Why did the platform not ban them?
We need to take these things more seriously because sadly they are going to keep happening more and more.
Honestly this feels like modern day gladiator stuff. People watched someone get tortured for entertainment, and the line between “content” and “crime” got completely erased.
This shouldn’t be happening
The streaming site (Kick) he was on not only ignored the abuse but promoted it too via their official Twitter/X account and made memes of his torture, so they can’t feign ignorance.
I was wondering how tf did this happen, then i read the platform: Kick.
Ofcourse it was that shit hole
Insane how close to a real live Squid Game-adjacent situation we are living
Reminds me of [this ](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt30127325/?ref_=ttep_ep_1)Blackmirror episode, really bizare stuff.
Man, I **hate** streamers.
Hold the platforms accountable. With AI I’m sure they have tools to detect violance and report it automayically.
Also streamers should have a disctreet SOS button, which can be triggered by streamer.
Terrible.
The perpetrators and KICK should be held responsible.
This paints such a bleak picture. People need to start getting arrested, including everyone who encouraged this
>In January 2025, Naruto and Safine were taken into custody on suspicion of producing live videos of the humiliation of vulnerable people before being released the same day of their arrest.
So they just let this happen, no report no law enforcement whatsoever?
How does this work, on kick of all platforms as I don’t know anything about that
This is sickening to watch. I don’t get the joy in watching someone screaming in pain. And people were even donating money for this… I hope these high school bullies who never grew up get what they deserve
What what what
I hope this at least ends up with authorities being more serious with what’s going on with these platforms, poor guy.
In Spain we have a case which will probably end up in a similar way. [Simón](https://www.eldiario.es/era/black-mirror-simon-perez-espiral-autodestruccion-directo-asesor-hipotecas-tipo-fijo_1_12522731.html), who was originally a somewhat known economist, was initially made a meme when he and his gf published a video where they were clearly on drugs. Since then, he ended up as a streamer, where the audience pretty much donate so that he keeps on using (heavy) drugs, do stupid „challenges“ and so on. It’s obviously happening on Kick now, these companies should be made responsible ASAP.
This is straight out of a Black Mirror episode.
Everyone watching and enjoying such content should be an accomplice and there should be big consequences for everyone involved and everyone that enabled them and watched/donated money
It’s honestly sick finding enjoyment in watching someone with problems get tortured live.
Hope they get charged with murder and spend their lives in prison, but I doubt it. I doubt it even more that Kick will face any repercussions, when they should all go to prison as well tbh.
Money, money, money, it’s all there is. Fuck kindness, fuck empathy, as long as I can make some money, right ? I hate this timeline.
Black Mirror isn’t supposed to be a blueprint….
I hope they and everyone who attempts to replicate this rot in jail forever.
I’m going to share this [link](https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957438458961576169?t=4cfRHEeEjAwspr2BsFCXYw&s=19) that show everything he went through, please be advised it’s very hard to see and I hope justice will be served.
I hate that there’s people out there paying to watch this type of streams. Their enablers and guilty as much as the 2 who fisically tortured him for months. Disgusting human beings.
RIP to this poor man
Kick needs to be shut down forever.
I don’t understand at all.
The title is wrong,
It’s not „month“, it’s „years“
this has been going for like at least 3 years and everyone here in France always knew about this but Kick just did nothing (and even was with it to some extent because they advertised the streamers a lot)
Jesus christ this is what streaming world does to the fuckers for content. No matter if its kick or twitch or any other. Torture for content I feel bad for that French streamer
Why did he put up with that shit? Did he have developmental issues?
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They are making easy for the rest of us to make a list of psychos. Basically put the name of everyone involved in the matter on a list (the two streamers, anyone who watched or supported this content, the streaming platform patrons), create a register, and ban all the people on that register to get any significant role in our society apart from doing any job that none of us want to do, as long as that job doesn’t involve any leading role or responsibility over other people. Just force them to be in the hardest and most socially isolated jobs for life for the minimum pay.
Why does this sound like a really depressing episode of Black Mirror? What the fuck? I hope the perpetrators suffer the maximum sentence, and there needs to be something done to the chatters that paid money to encourage this.
I saw the stream chat screenshot and it was fucking sick
They were fucking laughing and saying „lol he is dead“
This is sad, reminds me alkaida terrorists or something similar, but this time it’s regular citizens, I guess?
Wow, my heart physically hurt reading that top comment, didn’t even finish reading it all. I didn’t even know this stuff existed and I feel sad for even having clicked on this Reddit post.
I’m not even surprised by the fact there’s people that are so morally empty they’d do these things for money, I’m more shocked by the fact there was actually a huge market/audience for this and that the structure that facilitated this could exist for so long
Fucking tragic. As someone who grew up in France and was bullied for years – with no reaction from adults around me – this story doesn’t surprise me sadly.
How the fuck does this even happen? Watched one of those clips of the guy getting strangled and he’s screaming „Stop!“ over and over again. Then they eventually stop and act like everything is normal. What the fuck?!
Investigations will last either 10 minutes or 10 years and nothing serious will happen.
Killers will hire a good lawyer with their income, will profusely apologize in court, and get suspended sentences at best.
This is the most heartbreaking thing I have ever heard. I can only say that he is hopefully in a better place now. His abusers should be trialed for murder or at least manslaughter and the money goes to his mother. This was a serious case of it’s okay to very strongly say „NO!“ and if they refuse then call the police.
The fans were a part of the issue. While I understand that it is easy to get caught up on cheap entertainment and easy to think everyone is okay, remember that people are humans. If he didn’t die from the awful abuse, then it would have been something else like suicide. RIP. Another preventable death. Hopefully their will be serious change in France and on streaming sites.
jesus how awful
Thats some Cyberpunk dystopia shit if ever I heard it. 😞
Hope Kick gets absolutely destroyed for supporting and promoting this.
This is horrifying, it’s basically a Black Mirror episode.
Evil evil people
I can’t even bring myself to finish reading that list. That is all beyond fucked up. Why was that happening? Why were people watching it? Wtf?
A lot of people need to go to prison..