Sollte Europa sich von der US -Technologie ab entwöhnen?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dpr2zkny0o
Von Hot_Preparation4777
Sollte Europa sich von der US -Technologie ab entwöhnen?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dpr2zkny0o
Von Hot_Preparation4777
49 Kommentare
yes.
No, we should 100% rely on US tech. Especially knowing that Americans are willing to elect presidents like Trump.
Such a stupid question
Please do. I beg you. Be better, you are our last hope Obi Wan.
YES
Now we just need a reliable replacement for Exchange Online with similar functionality. And no. Any weird email Webhoster does not provide that level of enterprise capable features.
Of course we should. Else, we are just exposing ourselves to blackmail from the US, and given the current russo-american axis, this vulnerability is a threat to the very existence of EU.
At the very least in critical infrastructure, the fact Microsoft can just block a judge’s account and lock them out of everything is extremely alarming. The EU and its governments needs to be able to function in any plausible scenario and one of those is the US cutting off access to their tech over some geopolitical squabble.
30 years ago…
It’s never not ironic whenever one of these articles get posted to Reddit.
Why is it a question at all? Tech sector brings jobs, money and independence. WHY is it a question?!
„Can“ is the better question here.
No, it either can’t, or might need a really, really long time and by the time it does, the politics behind it might had already become irrelevant.
Yep
I don’t say replacement, I say alternative.
So that I can say „fuck you“ at any time
Good old protectionism.
The best time to do this was in the 80s and 90s during the computer revolution. But better late than never….
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yes.
I wish there were more tech companies in Europe.
Yes
years and years ago
You’ve been talking about doing this and also rebuilding your military for quite awhile now. So far it’s been all talk and no action. At some point you have to just face the reality that the EU can do neither.
The right question is „Why havent we already?!“
Yes, absolutely yes, but we have only ourselves to blame if we’re in this uncomfortable situation, we have squandered such potential between the 1980s and early 2000s… I want to hit myself in the head with a hammer when I think that here in Italy we let an amazing company like Olivetti fade into semiobscurity…
This is just rhetorical. Yes it should but let’s be honest, the race in IT was lost decades ago. The wages are shit in IT in Europe compared to US and there is no eagerness for capital investment in this field since it’s very high risk in an already established market.
EU should, but it technically can’t, because entire government and business sectors in EU and the world are tied to O365 and their entire IT Infrastructures have been built around Enterprise and Business O365 licensing and it has been so for almost 30 years, which means Windows or macOS endpoints.
EU talks the talk for decades, but realistically the whole transition requires a lot of funding, because they need to move from O365 to LibreOffice and Linux(custom Linux) and that means hiring locally for local wages with health care entire teams of people and developers experienced in using Linux and train the non-technical staff to use Linux and Linux-based solutions.
Not to mention switch all client and server endpoints to custom Linux solutions, without reliance on cheap outsource and that’s just on the on-premises side of things and it’s already in billions of funding on the transition alone.
They would also need to remake every piece of software that is currently using licensing from SAP(SalesForce/Accounting) to something local, like the „good old days“ when it took decades to write some internal solutions, that were incompatible with anything else.
In cloud services and virtualization it’s either Amazon (AWS) or Microsoft (Azure). Amazon is not just cloud services and virtualization, entire web hosting segments and chunks of hardware, where the websites are being hosted are owned by Amazon.
Switching from US corporations like Amazon in web hosting would mean making their own web hosting infrastructures, independent on Amazon, but providing the same capabilities and it takes decades to build these types of infrastructures for web hosting and billions in funding.
Until EU starts doing this on a larger scale, which means enormous amount of funding to the IT and Software Development sectors alone, there will always be dependencies on US.
Can the EU afford to? Would be great to get insights.
That time was 20 year ago. Linux is the best viable alternative but how do you do that? Entire economies are being run of Excel, Word and PowerPoint. Google App suite is making similar inroads. Europe woke up too late
yesterday, stop asking stimulus questions and get busy
I am so tired of reading these dumb articles. That ship has sailed. Network effects are brutal in tech. Once Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta became global defaults, they locked in ecosystems (data, users, infrastructure, developer bases). You cannot realistically disrupt these ecosystems unless the EU moves to crack down on US tech companies with China-like bans (extremely unlikely because the EU is useless and spinless).
The only answer is YES!
Go to r/BuyfromEU and r/EUtech if you want to contribute on an individual level. Lots of tech alternatives are presented and discussed there.
These days most of the software can be easily rewritten from scratch. In the 90s it was almost impossible to build Office software from scratch. Or the SQL database server. But not today. The tooling and open source libraries are very mature.
yes, but it wont
DO IT
Of course. We should have done that a long time ago.
Emphatically yes
I am in the process of doing this. I love „my“ customer for demanding this. It has taken me four months and we’re in the process of demo and testing, but as I see it we are a few weeks from entering production in Europe based datacenters relying only on opensource but unfortunately being stuck in IBM DB2 database, however that is quickly going out the window for OpenSource too.
The shit underneath will invariable be US based tech, but Hitachi should start taking up more and more data center space, I hope.
Everyone saying yes. But none considering leaving Reddit.
Europe should stop focusing on censorship laws first. No amount of censorship will force people to like Israel again.
I’m tired of austerity and censorship man, we’re not going to improve anything if all we do is austerity in order to buy American weapons or to prop up a military industrial complex.
This has been LONG OVERDUE! Europe could easily create a movement in regard to technological advancement. A group of alliances akin to SV.
Think the world should be weaning itself off the us. Look at what they’re doing to their own society and then picture it in your own. The social contract has disintegrated, the gulf between haves and have nots is a chasm and their public square, such as it is has led to violence, hatred and the end of any meaningful type of compromise. A lot of this in my view is due to us tech promoting atomisation of society. Some people Have gotten very rich yes but the long term cost of all this is barely even beginning to register.
It’s long overdue. If for no other reason, it’s for economic security. Then there’s privacy. And then the geopolitical autonomy. Downsides are none.
Europe should be a leader in Linux. Invented in Finland, Canonical in UK, SUSE in Germany, RedHat in Czech Republic, Atos in France. B1 systems working on Fedora based [EU OS](https://eu-os.eu/) already.
That would be a good start. We lost many leading companies already.
As a customer I would happily shop at European version of Amazon. I would be more than happy to watch pan-european version of Netflix. There is also European replacement of VISA or Mastercard needed. [EPI](https://epicompany.eu/about) is a good start.
There are some strategic investments in technology such as Galileo GPS. The rest is the issue of funding related to broken EU market
Isn’t the question „how can“. Everyone agrees we should.
Why is this question asked on a weekly basis, everyone knows the answer
Yes.
Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
Yes .
Yes
Hell yes.
And use what? We have unfortunately killed are tech industry in comparison to what the US has. I agree with the idea but first we need to kill the regulatory state of mind that has killed off any chance of innovation and development in our tech sector.