Die Historikerin Nathalie Clayer in ihrem Buch „Aux Originies du Nationalisme Albanias“ sagt, dass Albaner keine Stammeskultur oder ein Gegh hatten – Tosk, die sich vor der Invasion des osmanischen Reiches unterscheidet und dass dies eine Folge der osmanischen Verwaltung ist. Was denkst du darüber?

>What are your thoughts on this?

M’u thyen kavanozat e ajvarit nga çudia.

Ndarja gegë-toskë, veri-jug nuk ka të bëj shumë me turkun. Për vet faktin që pashallëqet, sanxhaqet apo vilajet u bënë me një të hequr lapsi e pa e vrarë mendjen për karakterin apo identitetin kulturor të travave shqiptare.

Për mua, ndarja gegë-toskë ka filluar që me skizëmën e madhe kur territori i veriu ishte me Romën dhe i jugut me Kostandinopojën. Vija e theodhosit po ta shohësh është diku në Krujë (Shqipëri e mesme). Mendoj nga kjo ndarje ka filluar edhe më pas edhe diferencat gjuhësore.

Gjithashtu duhen marr parasysh edhe influancat e huja. Latinët/italianët në pjesën perëndimore, serbët në veriore, bullgarët në lindore dhe grekët në jugore. Influencat e tyre gjithashtu kanë ndikuar në krijimin e diaklektizmave. Siç edhe ne kemi ndikuar te ata. Influenca turke nuk ka pasur dhe nuk ka si të ketë pasur në ndasinë dialektore. Sepse nuk kishte atë qëllim në vetvete osmanlliu.

Karakteri fisnor është edhe në jug mos harro. Malësitë jugore kanë po të njëjtën karkter fisnor, tribal dhe kanunor. Thjesht e ka karakter tjetër.

Brockulla me rrenje islamofobe sic eshte francezja Nathalie Clayer edhe op i fiksuar/paguar ndoshta 24/7 me osmant dhe provokime islamofobe te kamofluara deri diku mire nen disa diskurse gjoja shkencore. Jo osmant ishin perandoria me tolerante e kohes, me shume dallim me shtetet e tjera te kohes. Franca detyroj me dhune qe okzitanet dhe katalanisit ne jug te flisnin frengjisht, deboj cdo lloj denominimi tjeter katolik pervec roman catholic. Sic beri Franca bene edhe gjithe shtetet e tjera ne Europe pervec shtetit te vetem ku kishte tolerance fetare dhe kombetare qe ishin Osmant. Vetem gjate periudhes se xhon turqve u munduan ne force te shtypnin kombet e tjera. Eshte teper e thjeshte dhe kerkon pak logjike qe po te ishin kaq te vendosur per 5 shekuj ballkani do fliste turqisht por agjendat e tjera nuk lejn vend per logjike. Une shpresoj shume op qe ti te paguhesh per punen e madhe qe ben sepse po te jete thjeshte urrejtja jote personale eshte teper sad. Prap anoj nga pjesa qe e ke pune.

The point about tribal culture is likely true, the oldest Albanian tribes all claim their origin during the Ottoman Empire invasion, not before that, so it is likely that the tribal culture was a reorganization of society as feudalism collapsed.

As for Gheg/Tosk distinction, that’s more complex, it should start by defining what does she mean by Gheg/Tosk? Linguistically, what we call Gheg and Tosk have been differentiated since at least 6-8 century. Culturally, Albanians have more ethno-cultural regions than just Gheg and Tosk. For example, Central Albanian Gheg speakers are not likely to consider themselves Gheg at all, when they use the word, they mean Northern Albanians not themselves. Also, urban Shkodra was its own thing.

Also, while they are considered a subgroup of Tosk today due to the language, Lab Albanians, Cham Albanians, Suliotes were more likely to consider themselves simply Lab, Cham, and Suliot in particular than Tosk in general. Yes, today all but Suliots (who don’t exist anymore) say they are a subgroup of Tosk, but historically they saw themselves more as their own group. And just like with urban Shkodra, urban Korça was its own thing too.

These kind of Gheg/Tosk distinctions have been more fluid.

It is well established now that the dialect split happened before the Slavic invasion. Approximately when the Roman Empire was divided into East and West

Gheg-Tosk split happens before Slavic arrival as Latin/greek loanwords are almost native in Albanian with slight differences but Slavic loanwords are entirely different in both dialects meaning different and later points of contact, also we know that our words to do with Christianity are almost entirely the same in both gheg and tosk meaning we were also already fully Christianized by the 4th century before gheg-tosk split which would’ve happened around 5th-8th centuries, also multiple Albanian tribes are recorded well before ottoman arrival in Balkans for example the Berisha are mentioned first time as a tribe in 1242 as well as others around 12th-13th centuries.