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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/aug/16/facial-recognition-cameras-too-racially-biased-to-use-at-notting-hill-carnival-say-campaigners
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‘The letter says that since the Met announced its Notting Hill plan, a high court challenge has been launched by the anti-knife campaigner Shaun Thompson. A Black British man, Thompson was wrongly identified as a criminal, held by police, and then faced demands from officers for his fingerprints.’
Software that is known to have issues with identifying black people shouldn’t be used at all. It leads to a disproportionate targeting of innocent black civilians.
What nonsense. We should have facial recognition everywhere and a national database of every citizen. This technology works and it works very well (source: have lived in China). These people are just angry that criminals will be arrested.
> held by police, and then faced demands from officers for his fingerprints
> …when he was surrounded by officers and held for half an hour. He has likened the discriminatory impacts of LFR to ‘stop and search on steroids’,”
This can’t be true. We’ve been assured by officers here on reddit that it’s just a case of merely showing your ID and moving on, absolutely zero inconvenience to you at all.
I find it very interesting that black and Asian faces are thought to be a problem in the west, where the majority are white yet in China they have the opposit issue.
It’s almost like the minority are the ones still teaching the ai how to identify them.
As long as the human officers are given the info and can check the person against the photo before any action is taken where the issue?
The obsession with making this about race just muddies the water. Do not fall for it. They just want us all to fight among ourselves.
The real issue is that facial recognition is being rolled out on citizens without consent, without explanation, and without accountability. That’s the dead-cat strategy in action….keep everyone arguing about bias while the surveillance quietly becomes normal.
It’s not about whether the AI is biased. It’s about governments normalising a surveillance state without ever asking permission.
No harm in using it to track down suspects. It should be inadmissible as evidence though. We know you were there because facial recognition puts you there is no better or worse than a witness having put you there. Might form part of a picture but assuming it’s right is dangerous.
It’s because the alarm system would overload if it could recognise all the crims there.
Chicago recently got ride of a shot spotter system that allowed the police to pinpoint gunfire locations. It was removed because too many minorities were being arrested. It was too effective.
So from a technological standpoint, this is an interesting problem that has been around for a while.
In the past, and probably still with some devices today, camera software has been better in regards to balancing light and colour levels for people with light skin tones then those with darker ones. The reason, was test data. The camera software had been tested on more people with lighter tones, so the software was better calibrated for taking pictures of them.
Makes me wonder if we have a similar situation here. The test data used when making this software simply had more white men in the sample pool then woman or people of colour, and so is more accurate in identifying them.
If they’re not used and continually tested with the new software updates how would you know if they’re racially biased or not?.
There has been and is still ongoing, considerable research and updates to get this sort of thing right. Seems to me the Notting Hill carnival would be a great place to test it.
Having read the article , I fail to see any reason why it shouldn’t be used. If anything this would be a great opportunity to improve the technology and therefore remove the ‘racial bias’ outlined in the article
If it takes the race card to get rid of these things then so be it…
Facial recognition systems should not be allowed at all, what a terrible invasion of privacy and constant surveillance.
Facial recognition cameras too effective at spotting criminals to use at Notting Hill carnival, say campaigners
Far cry from HP webcams not being able to detect a black face…
Hasn’t the „bias“ been worked out now? I thought that’s what I’d heard. Would love some data on this.
What do people fear about facial recognition? I don’t do anything wrong so carry on recording me!
The fact that facial recognition is being rolled out at all is a crime…..
It could acually cause more harm, putting technology that has historically gotten more false positives with black people in a area thar is going to be filed with majority black people celebrating black culture could be a bad idea
Even if you remove the racial element from it the fact is that this country used to berate the likes of China doing this type of shit but here we are doing it ourselves
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Pulling the race card would just make things worse for everybody.
I wish articles like this would include even just one or two lines to explain *why* these systems wind up being less accurate when it comes to *minority* groups? Would that be so hard? And just immediately cuts out 90% of the completely and utterly pointless „woke reporter things AI is racist“ part of the discussion.
Maybe it’s the same for people who think „X“ race all look alike. I wonder if some people need to train their brains to see people of other races, or just new people? No, I’m not trying to apologize for racism, but there does seem to be a less horrid explanation.
This is not about race; this is about data collection. They want you fighting the race war so you don’t fight the class war. Don’t fall for it. This has ‚just stop oil‘ levels of PsyOp conspiracy where the government are paying people to suggest non-issues and get people looking in one direction so they don’t question and look in the direction that matters.
Infer from this how much these people should be listened to on anything else
This isn’t just an abstract debate, denial of what almost anyone can plainly see costs everyone else peace and safety
What in the hell does that even mean?
Surely what these campaigners have said, whilst it may be true, would be something they’d usually scream racism about? „Don’t use facial recognition at Notting Hill carnival as it will recognise too many criminals“. For all the reasons to be against facial recognition technology, you can’t accuse it of any kind of bias. It only looks for the people it’s set to look for.