It won’t happen. You can poll any EU country and you’d be lucky to get 1 that’s over 50% in favor of ceasing to be an independent state. National sovereignty is a big thing to people.
LittleSchwein1234 on
Lasting peace in Europe requires dismantling Putin’s dictatorship and a democratisation of Russia – either as one country or multiple ones, I don’t give a fuck.
volodymyroquai on
I mean can you just imagine the giga-fascism some of our farmers would joyfully elect because their workforce isn’t speaking the local tongue.
MoblandJordan on
Strong thumbs up from the grave of Napoleon.
Jehuty321 on
Like an empire. Maybe holy and Roman.
No-Tension7016 on
Hitler thought so too
Adorable-Database187 on
How about we just follow the current trend.
We keep ramping up our arms industry, send Ukraine enough arms to fuck over Putin and do something about our dependency on the US for digital services in critical infrastructure.
What else is needed?
kreteciek on
Just Balkans are too diverse to unite as one country, and you want to try that for the entirety of Europe?
PxddyWxn on
Oh god no
PainInTheRhine on
That’s frankly a pure fantasy. However even without a super-state there is a lot that can be done that would really improve EU’s situation:
– continue common market integration – it’s not bad for goods, but not great for services and nonexistent for capital markets. That’s why in US tech startup can get way more financing than in EU and why US-based VC funds buy up any promising EU startup . Also the smoother commerce within EU, the less dependent we are on foreign trade
– push for more harmonization of law – another big barrier for EU economy is dealing with 27 different sets of rules. So almost any startup initially only targets their own home country instead of immediately accessing whole 450 million people strong market
– end of veto – yes, this might be a step too far for some, but you can’t have a working system with 27 countries and veto. Poland was once destroyed partly due to its completely dysfunctional political system due to ‚liberum veto‘ – ability of any delegate to prevent passing of a law
– energy transition – unfortunately this has been deeply politicized, but even somebody who does not give a shit about environment should understand that Europe’s dependency on imported fossil fuels is both a security threat and huge drain on economy. Fuels are the single biggest item on the EU’s import balance. Imagine all this money staying in Europe.
– dealing somehow with social media – another controversial take, but the current situation is that Europe is completely infiltrated by US-owned social networks, which in turn are overrun by bots from every damn corner of the world. How can we have functional, independent democracy when most of EU citizens are spoon fed daily with misinformation manufactured or chosen by foreign countries. I fear that if that’s not addressed, foreign actors will manage to disintegrate EU within a decade.
hughsheehy on
The time to do it is about a generation and a half after **everyone** thinks it’s been overdue for ages.
VrcanoBetmenPile on
N to the O… NO
KerbalEnginner on
Now that is an idea I would personally vote for. I feel more like an „European“ than anything else.
Gorblonzo on
Oh bet they’d love that, makes spying on everyone easier
Exact-Replacement142 on
In 1754 Benjamin Franklin drew a political cartoon called “Join, or die.”. It represented the various then British colonies as parts of a severed snake. And that we colonies must join together to defend ourselves or our enemies will subjugate us piece by piece.
As harsh as it is to say, I think Russia will have to take more land than eastern Ukraine for Europeans to take a lesson history and unite. No matter your grudges, the future is more important.
hukep on
That won’t bring peace, but separatist movements.
Loud_Hedgehog_5683 on
Hell no 😃 I ain’t giving up independence like that.
scatterlite on
Unpopular for many reasons, but a true statement at its core. Europe is weak geopolitically
AncientAd6500 on
There were some people in the past who tried to unite it.
mini-maxi-123 on
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Primary-Elderberry34 on
No thanks, i don‘t want to share a country with the Fr*nch and Br*tish
chmendez on
By that logic, let’s create just one, all-powerful world government.
No.
United-Praline-2911 on
I used to be for this but with chat control 2.0 the EU is about to become a mass surveillance state at an unimaginable scale.
Ecstatic_Cobbler_264 on
I am generally in favor, but i do not want every EU country included. (Ahem Hungary ahem)
bbbar on
Lasting peace requires dissolution of fascist russia. Admit it
Viliam_the_Vurst on
Eu worked greatly for that until some states thought they could simply block shit to have it their way…
WanderlustZero on
What we have now would be okay if our leaders weren’t so spineless and subservient
enemyboatspotted_ on
No thanks . With people like Ursula von der shitter ,
PaleFault124 on
In theory yes. In practice no. Your average european feels underrepresented as is. Making a federation won’t improve things.
jatawis on
How does the author imagine more than 75% of Lithuanians coming to a referendum to unanimously vote litterally abolishing independence considering that generally election turnout is lower?
EkzeKILL on
Europe should be federalized. Everyone will win. Simply because there will be much much less bureaucracy
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It won’t happen. You can poll any EU country and you’d be lucky to get 1 that’s over 50% in favor of ceasing to be an independent state. National sovereignty is a big thing to people.
Lasting peace in Europe requires dismantling Putin’s dictatorship and a democratisation of Russia – either as one country or multiple ones, I don’t give a fuck.
I mean can you just imagine the giga-fascism some of our farmers would joyfully elect because their workforce isn’t speaking the local tongue.
Strong thumbs up from the grave of Napoleon.
Like an empire. Maybe holy and Roman.
Hitler thought so too
How about we just follow the current trend.
We keep ramping up our arms industry, send Ukraine enough arms to fuck over Putin and do something about our dependency on the US for digital services in critical infrastructure.
What else is needed?
Just Balkans are too diverse to unite as one country, and you want to try that for the entirety of Europe?
Oh god no
That’s frankly a pure fantasy. However even without a super-state there is a lot that can be done that would really improve EU’s situation:
– continue common market integration – it’s not bad for goods, but not great for services and nonexistent for capital markets. That’s why in US tech startup can get way more financing than in EU and why US-based VC funds buy up any promising EU startup . Also the smoother commerce within EU, the less dependent we are on foreign trade
– push for more harmonization of law – another big barrier for EU economy is dealing with 27 different sets of rules. So almost any startup initially only targets their own home country instead of immediately accessing whole 450 million people strong market
– end of veto – yes, this might be a step too far for some, but you can’t have a working system with 27 countries and veto. Poland was once destroyed partly due to its completely dysfunctional political system due to ‚liberum veto‘ – ability of any delegate to prevent passing of a law
– energy transition – unfortunately this has been deeply politicized, but even somebody who does not give a shit about environment should understand that Europe’s dependency on imported fossil fuels is both a security threat and huge drain on economy. Fuels are the single biggest item on the EU’s import balance. Imagine all this money staying in Europe.
– dealing somehow with social media – another controversial take, but the current situation is that Europe is completely infiltrated by US-owned social networks, which in turn are overrun by bots from every damn corner of the world. How can we have functional, independent democracy when most of EU citizens are spoon fed daily with misinformation manufactured or chosen by foreign countries. I fear that if that’s not addressed, foreign actors will manage to disintegrate EU within a decade.
The time to do it is about a generation and a half after **everyone** thinks it’s been overdue for ages.
N to the O… NO
Now that is an idea I would personally vote for. I feel more like an „European“ than anything else.
Oh bet they’d love that, makes spying on everyone easier
In 1754 Benjamin Franklin drew a political cartoon called “Join, or die.”. It represented the various then British colonies as parts of a severed snake. And that we colonies must join together to defend ourselves or our enemies will subjugate us piece by piece.
As harsh as it is to say, I think Russia will have to take more land than eastern Ukraine for Europeans to take a lesson history and unite. No matter your grudges, the future is more important.
That won’t bring peace, but separatist movements.
Hell no 😃 I ain’t giving up independence like that.
Unpopular for many reasons, but a true statement at its core. Europe is weak geopolitically
There were some people in the past who tried to unite it.
[ Removed by Reddit ]
No thanks, i don‘t want to share a country with the Fr*nch and Br*tish
By that logic, let’s create just one, all-powerful world government.
No.
I used to be for this but with chat control 2.0 the EU is about to become a mass surveillance state at an unimaginable scale.
I am generally in favor, but i do not want every EU country included. (Ahem Hungary ahem)
Lasting peace requires dissolution of fascist russia. Admit it
Eu worked greatly for that until some states thought they could simply block shit to have it their way…
What we have now would be okay if our leaders weren’t so spineless and subservient
No thanks . With people like Ursula von der shitter ,
In theory yes. In practice no. Your average european feels underrepresented as is. Making a federation won’t improve things.
How does the author imagine more than 75% of Lithuanians coming to a referendum to unanimously vote litterally abolishing independence considering that generally election turnout is lower?
Europe should be federalized. Everyone will win. Simply because there will be much much less bureaucracy