When people who hate Ukraine say Ukraine should give Russia land for peace just ask them if they’d give their own countries land to Russia for peace
Luder09 on
Trump and Putin can double dildo themselves into oblivion
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Low_Deal_4544 on
he will continue to „insists“ but reality on ground will speak for themselves
artlastfirst on
„Ok 300k Ukrainian citizens, you all live under russia now“ certainly not happening lol
Honest-Estimate4964 on
Sounds brave, but what is the future for Ukrainians? Guaranteed death in a year or two? Fleeing to Europe, where another 8-10 million refugees already are?
_Cyberrpunk_ on
It is Ukrainian land. Putin stole it and must be defeated.
johnnycyberpunk on
“Zelenskyy insists Ukraine will not pull its forces out of Ukraine”.
Probably a good stance to take.
maxis2bored on
Ukraine already signed a piece deal with Russia. It is being violated. Why should they sign another, just so it can happen again?
ukrainianhab on
Once again this is more than just giving land. You give that land and Putin goes again (as history has shown countless times) goodbye Kharkiv…
Deltasims on
No shit.
As if Ukraine was ever going to give up easily defensible towns like Kostiantynivka, Kramatorsk and Sloviansk in exchange for…
*Checks notes
Irrelevant border strips in Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts
argonian_mate on
These demands are actually brilliant piece of propaganda. First of all people start to discuss it in perspective of a false equation „giving up land = peace“ when there is **absolutely nothing that guarantees peace at all – nihil, null, nada**.
Even if you read **pro-ukrainian** comments *here* they are about „how dare russians demand land“ – this part already succeeded because it shifted the point of discussion from „what peace are we talking about at all, how will it happen and what guarantees russia won’t just continue the war?“ to the false narrative of trading land for peace.
The next step is to shift discussion from „giving up land“ to „ukraine needs to stop being stubborn“ which is happening all over the place, while the peace part is still complete and utter bullshit.
This is how quality set up propaganda wins even if on the surface it looses.
Nekinej on
Cant pull out if you get ejected 5head
basteilubbe on
Naturally. It’s Russia who should pull its forces out of Donbas.
brite1234 on
We can’t (re)normalise imperial powers getting away with taking whatever they want.
frankster on
Why would Ukraine even think about giving up territory that Russia have failed to capture for 11 years?
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The Ukro-Russian nothingburger war
I would certainly hope not.
To the last man!!!
When people who hate Ukraine say Ukraine should give Russia land for peace just ask them if they’d give their own countries land to Russia for peace
Trump and Putin can double dildo themselves into oblivion
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he will continue to „insists“ but reality on ground will speak for themselves
„Ok 300k Ukrainian citizens, you all live under russia now“ certainly not happening lol
Sounds brave, but what is the future for Ukrainians? Guaranteed death in a year or two? Fleeing to Europe, where another 8-10 million refugees already are?
It is Ukrainian land. Putin stole it and must be defeated.
“Zelenskyy insists Ukraine will not pull its forces out of Ukraine”.
Probably a good stance to take.
Ukraine already signed a piece deal with Russia. It is being violated. Why should they sign another, just so it can happen again?
Once again this is more than just giving land. You give that land and Putin goes again (as history has shown countless times) goodbye Kharkiv…
No shit.
As if Ukraine was ever going to give up easily defensible towns like Kostiantynivka, Kramatorsk and Sloviansk in exchange for…
*Checks notes
Irrelevant border strips in Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts
These demands are actually brilliant piece of propaganda. First of all people start to discuss it in perspective of a false equation „giving up land = peace“ when there is **absolutely nothing that guarantees peace at all – nihil, null, nada**.
Even if you read **pro-ukrainian** comments *here* they are about „how dare russians demand land“ – this part already succeeded because it shifted the point of discussion from „what peace are we talking about at all, how will it happen and what guarantees russia won’t just continue the war?“ to the false narrative of trading land for peace.
The next step is to shift discussion from „giving up land“ to „ukraine needs to stop being stubborn“ which is happening all over the place, while the peace part is still complete and utter bullshit.
This is how quality set up propaganda wins even if on the surface it looses.
Cant pull out if you get ejected 5head
Naturally. It’s Russia who should pull its forces out of Donbas.
We can’t (re)normalise imperial powers getting away with taking whatever they want.
Why would Ukraine even think about giving up territory that Russia have failed to capture for 11 years?