Yvette Cooper verteidigt die Verhaftung von mehr als 500 Menschen bei Palästina -Aktionsprotesten | Politiknachrichten
https://news.sky.com/story/yvette-cooper-defends-arrest-of-more-than-500-people-after-palestine-action-protests-13410093
Von GiftedGeordie
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The more you arrest people now when the laws are fresh, the less you have to arrest in the future as people stop protesting.
When your government calls pensioners with placards ‘terrorists’, you’re not in a democracy anymore..
Don’t worry guys, they’ll be letting child rapists and murderers out of prison to lock up 500 protestors on terrorism charges. Luckily the terrorism act has minimum sentencing requirements. Trebles all round chaps! Big round of applause for our incredible government!!
No longer my labour party.
Now is the time for the Lib Dems to step up. But they appear silent.
How much will it cost to keep 500 old and disabled people in jail each week? Blind people 93 year olds there needs will be complex.
prisons are over crowded a total nightmare on a system that lets the Southport killer walk round with boiling sugars to throw in staffs faces.
How is the system going to stop a blind disabled man being passed round like a mobile a sex doll to be blunt.
These people will be destroyed in this environment.
The IRA and the UVF/UDA are also proscribed organisations, yet people openly have murals on their houses, flags, signs and songs dedicated to celebrating them, sometimes heard at football matches and social gatherings, even annual scheduled marches. How come the Home Secretary isn’t pushing for them to be arrested? I’d think a house with a 30ft painting of balaclava glad terrorists with RPG’s and machine guns is far more provocative than a granny with a placard.
I’m detecting a distinct lack of the phrase ‚hurty words‘ in this thread. I guess a bunch of pensioners holding signs really are indistinguishable from ISIS members who behead civilians, and definitely deserve to be banned under the same legislation. It’s also great that the government are prioritising this reaction at a time when the state these individuals are protesting are currently intensifying their genocidal actions in Gaza.
Our government have genuinely shown more hostility to people holding up signs against genocide than representatives of the government doing that genocide.
There’s a reason they haven’t actually charged anyone under the TA yet and that’s because it’ll be impossible to convict anyone.
Activists are notoriously hard to get jury’s to convict, and many of these are elderly/disabled. The optics of this would be devastating as jury’s would reject their law en masse which would be highly embarrassing.
Magistrates courts can only give out sentences of 6 months, but these offences they’ve been arrested under are supposed to be up to 14 years. Sections 12 and 13 are each-way offences too, which means the defendant can choose to have a jury if they wished to.
None of these people will be prosecuted under the Terrorism Act in front of a jury, the arrests are just about scaring people into being silence. The charges will be downgraded to some vague public order offence.
I will never understand those who engage in civil disobedience then complain when they get arrested. That’s the whole fucking point! These people invoke the likes of the Suffragettes or Martin Luther King but then whine when the inevitable/necessary consequences happen.
Let’s be clear: absent further information that may not be in the public domain, I do not agree with the decision to class Palestine Action as a proscribed organisation. However, it currently is and supporting a proscribed organisation is a criminal offence. What the fuck do you think is going to happen when you brazenly break the law? If you weren’t prepared to be arrested then why the fuck did you blatanly break the law?
My suspicion is that these people view themselves as *good people* and believe that the police’s job is to deal with the *bad* people therefore if the police arrest them then the authorities must be doing something wrong because *good people* shouldn’t ever be arrested…
Hmm, come September then what? Will they still be held or released?
More arrested for terrorist offences in a single day than in an entire year (at least in the past 20 years). Wow.
Just remember folks, it’s perfectly legal to be a member of Combat 18, and to publicly support them.
‚Combat 18 members have been suspected of being involved in and directly responsible for the deaths of numerous immigrants, non-whites, dissidents, and the German politician Walter Lübcke as well as internecine killings of Combat 18 members.[‚
From Wikipedia.
Frankly they able to do this and getting away with it since all the main Parties are in support of it and backed by the same interest group.
So first they take away the winter payments from pensioners and now they’ll arrest them for peaceful protest. Cool
I think people misinterpret the purpose of this kind of legislation? It’s predicated on some people will think they’re freedom fighters not terrorists and precisely designed to not make it worth the while of otherwise respectable people to support these kinds of organisations it is “you may not think they’re terrorists but you’d better steer well clear or you’ll be in big trouble. Your beliefs about things don’t matter here.” And it probably works for a lot of people, stops them housing their student cousin and all his fertiliser because “he’s just in Palestine Action.”
From a legal perspective its pretty interesting.
Collectively the government, police and others in power needs to step carefully because there’s a real risk that their actions could be ruled unlawful by the end of November.
There are important things that people don’t seem to be discussing here. To clarify a couple of things first though:, I don’t agree with the way Palestine Action was prohibited, sneaking it in with two other organisations so MPs couldn’t vote for each individually. Secondly, what is occurring in Israel/Gaza is utterly abhorrent and the west does need to stand up Israel’s leaders.
I may be naive but it is possible there are things the security services know and are investigating about PA that do make them a credible terror threat.
If that is the case labour have handled it poorly and they need to communicate what those issues are.
My other issue is with the protestors themselves. How many of them are genuinely deeply involved in the Palestinian cause and how many are people who have become incensed after doomscrolling too long on social media and aren’t actually that well informed. This piece from the Spectator does a good job of highlighting the rise of the “omnicause” protestor https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-the-palestine-action-protestors-really-care-about-palestine/
I, for one, feel so much safer now that these people holding placards are off the streets. Besides, it’s not like we have issues with prison capacity or anything.