Exactly, this peace talks are just decoupling our nation.
Ossa1 on
Putin and Trump should meet in München. Just to make this even more obvious.
Royal-Hunter3892 on
So it’s true !! Ukraine will be partioned Eastern Ukraine with Russia and Western Ukraine with Pro Nato according to the new Peace plan or ceasefire plan ?
But the question remains to see is whether the Western Ukraine can join nato ??
And what is European stance on this prospect?
trisul-108 on
Trump and Putin are trying to do diplomatically what Putin’s invasion failed to achieve.
StrangerConscious637 on
It’s such a shame that the US has clearly changed their side to be with Russia now. Since they are a fascist country, because of Trump, they suddenly work together with Putin and against us Europeans.
We were on the same side for decades, and now we are enemies suddenly.
It’s such a disgrace… I cannot comprehend.
My hate for everything coming from the US is growing every day. They betrayed us.
I will do everything I can to not support anything coming from the US, Russia or China.
We are alone now and the last bastion of democracy and the free world.
Helixdust on
But trump wants Peace Prize soon so….
macross1984 on
So long as Putin is around, he will not stop. Simple as that.
And since Trump is not helping Ukraine anyway, Zelenskyy can tell fuck off to both of them.
What are they going to do? Putin will continue to bleed manpower and Trump will turn beet red at Ukraine not obeying US. 😛
Zestyclose_Ad_4646 on
Isn’t there somebody forget to ask?
SneeKeeFahk on
Good. I respect this shit out of this man.
Kalagorinor on
I totally understand the Ukrainian point of view, and I also believe it would set a very bad precedent to let Russia keep the territorial gains it has obtained in the war. It basically means countries are free to expand their borders by means of war, which would set us back almost a century in terms of geopolitical relations.
That said, the reality is that Ukraine is very unlikely to take back the occupied parts of Ukraine unless Russia collapses. That may eventually happen, considering how the Russian economy is under heavy strain, but not anytime soon. And Russia won’t simply take an agreement in which they gain nothing after years of war and catastrophic economic and manpower losses. Therefore, Ukraine will have to compromise if they truly want peace. Of course, Russia must compromise as well.
The only realistic scenario is that Ukraine cedes SOME land, maybe not all, and immediately joins NATO to ensure Russia does not take additional land in the future.
wedgiegivinbigbro on
Russia is actually already in a second attempt at partioning Ukraine. You should be saying you won’t let them succeed
Zelenskyy is the greatest leader of our time. I respect this man so much that he refuses to back down against tryranny. God bless Ukraine and keep supporting them.
Big-Ant-2208 on
For Trump :
Peace Prize>>>Ukraine
Howiop on
Fuck trump and putler, as long as Ukraine gets ammo they have proven more than willing to fight. Trump is selling out the west not just Ukraine, I guarantee most frontline soldiers are willing to fight for another year for a better chance at a Russian regime collapse.
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Exactly, this peace talks are just decoupling our nation.
Putin and Trump should meet in München. Just to make this even more obvious.
So it’s true !! Ukraine will be partioned Eastern Ukraine with Russia and Western Ukraine with Pro Nato according to the new Peace plan or ceasefire plan ?
But the question remains to see is whether the Western Ukraine can join nato ??
And what is European stance on this prospect?
Trump and Putin are trying to do diplomatically what Putin’s invasion failed to achieve.
It’s such a shame that the US has clearly changed their side to be with Russia now. Since they are a fascist country, because of Trump, they suddenly work together with Putin and against us Europeans.
We were on the same side for decades, and now we are enemies suddenly.
It’s such a disgrace… I cannot comprehend.
My hate for everything coming from the US is growing every day. They betrayed us.
I will do everything I can to not support anything coming from the US, Russia or China.
We are alone now and the last bastion of democracy and the free world.
But trump wants Peace Prize soon so….
So long as Putin is around, he will not stop. Simple as that.
And since Trump is not helping Ukraine anyway, Zelenskyy can tell fuck off to both of them.
What are they going to do? Putin will continue to bleed manpower and Trump will turn beet red at Ukraine not obeying US. 😛
Isn’t there somebody forget to ask?
Good. I respect this shit out of this man.
I totally understand the Ukrainian point of view, and I also believe it would set a very bad precedent to let Russia keep the territorial gains it has obtained in the war. It basically means countries are free to expand their borders by means of war, which would set us back almost a century in terms of geopolitical relations.
That said, the reality is that Ukraine is very unlikely to take back the occupied parts of Ukraine unless Russia collapses. That may eventually happen, considering how the Russian economy is under heavy strain, but not anytime soon. And Russia won’t simply take an agreement in which they gain nothing after years of war and catastrophic economic and manpower losses. Therefore, Ukraine will have to compromise if they truly want peace. Of course, Russia must compromise as well.
The only realistic scenario is that Ukraine cedes SOME land, maybe not all, and immediately joins NATO to ensure Russia does not take additional land in the future.
Russia is actually already in a second attempt at partioning Ukraine. You should be saying you won’t let them succeed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
Assurances were made..
Zelenskyy is the greatest leader of our time. I respect this man so much that he refuses to back down against tryranny. God bless Ukraine and keep supporting them.
For Trump :
Peace Prize>>>Ukraine
Fuck trump and putler, as long as Ukraine gets ammo they have proven more than willing to fight. Trump is selling out the west not just Ukraine, I guarantee most frontline soldiers are willing to fight for another year for a better chance at a Russian regime collapse.