Die Gewerkschaft des öffentlichen Sektors fordert Nichtmitglieder, die von Gehaltsabkommen profitieren, um Gebühren zu zahlen
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2025/06/01/government-should-consider-allowing-unions-to-collect-subs-from-non-members-who-benefit-from-pay-deals-consultation-told/
Von Wolfwalker71
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Seems fair tbh.
Wife is a nurse and she said you do see amongst some circles that management prefer anti union folk but then nurses by and large are quite pro union cuse of the literal shit they have to deal with.
Pay rises should only go to union menbers?
There is a lot of apathy towards unions, until there is an issue. And then you’ll find some of the people calling loudest for the union to act – aren’t actually union members. So I can see where Forsa are coming from. Everyone wants the benefits but nobody wants to contribute. Forsa have a dental and medical subsidy scheme (you pay extra for it) for clerical officers. And they also do webinars for members only. But I do think they need to make it more attractive to join.
Does anyone know if the civil service unions finances are transparent and accessible to members/the public?
And is there a reason we cant index these pay scales to inflation or some similar metric to make them automatic
As i recall during the last crash Unions threw new entrants and the lower steps on the ladder to the wolves why would people want to pay to be cast aside ?
hell no , i thought constitutionally you couldnt be forced into a union? https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government-in-ireland/irish-constitution-1/constitution-fundamental-rights/
„Similarly, you can’t force someone to join any particular association or union or always force a union or association to accept you.“
I’m all about unions but this is coercion
What if you could have gotten a higher pay raise?
Forsa would do well to actually tell non members about themselves and what they are about FFS. Forsa isn’t an automatic opt in union, they do good work but JFC tell people what you are doing, who you are etc.. I didn’t even know until recently they where our union and it was HR of all people that told us.
They can fuck right off. Average wages increased 28% in 5 years to Q1 2024.They rose another 5.6% in the last year alone. Unions got everyone 8% over last 5 years. Useless.
They do very little to represent their members, but have removed all abilities of people to represent themselves.
Construction unions can’t even get deals to match inflation in a market “crying” out for workers. Never mind fair lodge and travel subsidies.
They can fuck off.
Well, if that’s their thinking, I assume the unions will honour also this principle and compensate the non-union workers for making it harder to negotiate their own individual salaries, enjoy decent pension schemes and having to put up with shite work practices etc inflicted by the unions.
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Calling people names like ‚free-riders‘ won’t exactly endear them to those who they want to pay up . That’s school yard level stuff.
Unions are just afraid of becoming obsolete because employment law is a lot stronger than 40 years ago for the employee and they really need to justify their existence nowadays. Unions and particularly their leaders were always red flag waving socialists full of hot air.
As a member of Forsa who strongly believes everyone should join a union regardless of what industry they’re in; they can fuck off with this.
Do more to entice people into the union, something I’m happy to help do. But forcing people in will destroy any good sentiment for the union and actively work against everything they’re supposed to be doing.
The unions aren’t in a great place, but this isn’t really helping the cause, like publicity wise, it just looks bad. Like I do think everyone who’s working should be in a union, but the rand formula isn’t exactly going to convince people.
It’s about proactive tools, comms, better support for local reps, that sort of stuff, which is a resourcing issue sure, but if you put money into that instead of billboards for a big trade union week that did, nothing? It would probably be more useful.
Like the wrc being about as fast as a fish on a road, the current industrial relations act, at will contracts that aren’t technically that but basically are, these are the things that need to be worked on to get people in, not something that is essentially going to look like a closed shop or a shakedown.
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Forsa (previously Impact) are an absolute joke. Paid into them for years until the great recession hit. In the face of pension levies, pay cuts, extra hours and reduced benefits they did the sqaure root of F all. Left them and never looked back.
They can call for it all they like but there is an established constitutional right to both associate and disassociate. That’s not going to change nor should it.
Most people i know in the civil service would only join forsa for the wage protection. As a union they are pretty shit, never respond and they have hand waved huge regressions in workers benefits over the last decade.
Scabs are always scabs, happy to take benefit from Union but not willing to contribute.
Nobody should be forced into a union, but only unionised workers should benefit from pay deals achieved by unionised action. Free loaders should be free to negotiate their own pay.
Rich from Forsa. Been a year since I last got a reply from them