That is why we have to stop aligning ourselves with a regressive nation like the one South of our border.
If Canada is to develop and evolve in the 21st century, we have to do what’s good for Canada regardless of how it is perceived South of the border. I mean, regarding EVs, China has decades of technological advances compared to North America in this matter. The best thing we can do is to facilitate the implementation of their EV products here and try to develop the service and repair industry surrounding it to create jobs here.
It would be naive to think that we could produce our own EVs and somehow be competitive at the international level. That train is long gone.
RoastMasterShawn on
Bring in BYD. I’d love to buy an EV, but they’re pretty expensive. And I absolutely refuse to finance anything that isn’t a house. Bringing in the Chinese EVs will significantly drop prices and allow more normal people to buy.
dafones on
Am I right or wrong to be wary of and/or reluctant to support Chinese technology, if only in light of the likes of Huawei?
thecheesecakemans on
The government and the industry have done a piss poor job of convincing Joe Canadian why having an EV is important. They still lean too much into the climate. Let’s face it, the Climate isn’t rallying anyone to do anything (even though they should since how do you live in a world that is too hot?). Sadly that isn’t the variable to move the needle. You need to do what China did and make owning an EV a National Security agenda. Something patriotic to do (helped that they had domestic production and domestic companies).
CBC just did a great piece on why China is reaching peak oil earlier than expected. It has to do with domestic policy and national security. They knew if they wanted to compete and be „the best in the world“ they couldn’t rely on oil (which they don’t have much of). They need to import oil. How do you stop importing oil or limiting the influence of oil? Drive EVs. Push people to drive EVs.
That way the little oil (still massive) that they need could go to fuel industry by making plastics and all the other things oil is useful for (rather than just burning it).
China is also the largest producer of Renewable Energy from Solar and Wind (this isn’t by accident), they need to get off oil and become less reliant on others.
National Security as an agenda works on people. Patriotism can work. Look at the BuyCanadian movement and tourism boycotts. These are all based on patriotism and national identity.
Owning an EV and becoming self reliant with solar panels makes you stronger and therefore Canada stronger.
oxblood87 on
It doesn’t help that cars in general are getting ridiculously huge and expensive.
Sedans and hatchbacks are like unicorns to find and the average car price is eclipsing a full year of family income.
You’ve identified the problem (too many personal motor vehicles) and chosen the most obtuse and ineffective way to tackle it (make cars more expensive but dont meaningfully reduce the total emissions: 30% of electricity is still from fossil fuels, break and tire emissions are HIGHER because of larger heavier vehicles, lifecycle environmental damage isn’t meaningfully lower because of battery production etc.)
We need to be changing our build environment to REDUCE personal vehicle use. Build better neighbourhoods, build better transit and connections, and then offer more fuel-efficient vehicles for those who are rural and need the range and independence of not charging daily.
Construction vehicles should be more like 3m long kei trucks, not 6m long F150 that have the same carry capacity but 5x the fuel bill, 8x the price tag, and 30x the lethality rate.
OkFix4074 on
its all due to Elon shitting the bed – more than any other factor.
Model 3 and model y are fantastic city cars – just a terrible ceo. You can see this number of older models on road in places like BC and Quebec vs lack of any new model y/3!
MCRN_Admiral on
Talking to „regular“ Canadians, like my neighbors and the middle class Gen X/Millennials I work with…
I don’t think Canadians particularly care much about the environment, and they’re pretty conservative when it comes to lifestyle choices:
* They don’t want to replace a gas furnace with a heat pump: they don’t trust newfangled technology and don’t think heat pumps get hot enough
* They don’t want to replace gas stoves with induction cooktops because their mom and grandma swears by gas, and that’s what all the Pro’s use, don’tcha know?
* EVs? They don’t trust their range, battery capacity, and think the battery capacity goes down 50% in the winter
Although to be fair on the 3rd point: we’re one of the cheapest 1st world countries for gas (compare running a gas car in Canada vs England) and our public infrastructure for charging is extremely lackluster compared to Western Europe (which I know firsthand from extensive EU traveling in 2024)
Which leads us to where we’re at today: for most savvy car buyers, they tend to gravitate towards Hybrids so at least they can keep their gas bills as low as possible
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That is why we have to stop aligning ourselves with a regressive nation like the one South of our border.
If Canada is to develop and evolve in the 21st century, we have to do what’s good for Canada regardless of how it is perceived South of the border. I mean, regarding EVs, China has decades of technological advances compared to North America in this matter. The best thing we can do is to facilitate the implementation of their EV products here and try to develop the service and repair industry surrounding it to create jobs here.
It would be naive to think that we could produce our own EVs and somehow be competitive at the international level. That train is long gone.
Bring in BYD. I’d love to buy an EV, but they’re pretty expensive. And I absolutely refuse to finance anything that isn’t a house. Bringing in the Chinese EVs will significantly drop prices and allow more normal people to buy.
Am I right or wrong to be wary of and/or reluctant to support Chinese technology, if only in light of the likes of Huawei?
The government and the industry have done a piss poor job of convincing Joe Canadian why having an EV is important. They still lean too much into the climate. Let’s face it, the Climate isn’t rallying anyone to do anything (even though they should since how do you live in a world that is too hot?). Sadly that isn’t the variable to move the needle. You need to do what China did and make owning an EV a National Security agenda. Something patriotic to do (helped that they had domestic production and domestic companies).
CBC just did a great piece on why China is reaching peak oil earlier than expected. It has to do with domestic policy and national security. They knew if they wanted to compete and be „the best in the world“ they couldn’t rely on oil (which they don’t have much of). They need to import oil. How do you stop importing oil or limiting the influence of oil? Drive EVs. Push people to drive EVs.
That way the little oil (still massive) that they need could go to fuel industry by making plastics and all the other things oil is useful for (rather than just burning it).
China is also the largest producer of Renewable Energy from Solar and Wind (this isn’t by accident), they need to get off oil and become less reliant on others.
National Security as an agenda works on people. Patriotism can work. Look at the BuyCanadian movement and tourism boycotts. These are all based on patriotism and national identity.
Owning an EV and becoming self reliant with solar panels makes you stronger and therefore Canada stronger.
It doesn’t help that cars in general are getting ridiculously huge and expensive.
Sedans and hatchbacks are like unicorns to find and the average car price is eclipsing a full year of family income.
You’ve identified the problem (too many personal motor vehicles) and chosen the most obtuse and ineffective way to tackle it (make cars more expensive but dont meaningfully reduce the total emissions: 30% of electricity is still from fossil fuels, break and tire emissions are HIGHER because of larger heavier vehicles, lifecycle environmental damage isn’t meaningfully lower because of battery production etc.)
We need to be changing our build environment to REDUCE personal vehicle use. Build better neighbourhoods, build better transit and connections, and then offer more fuel-efficient vehicles for those who are rural and need the range and independence of not charging daily.
Construction vehicles should be more like 3m long kei trucks, not 6m long F150 that have the same carry capacity but 5x the fuel bill, 8x the price tag, and 30x the lethality rate.
its all due to Elon shitting the bed – more than any other factor.
Model 3 and model y are fantastic city cars – just a terrible ceo. You can see this number of older models on road in places like BC and Quebec vs lack of any new model y/3!
Talking to „regular“ Canadians, like my neighbors and the middle class Gen X/Millennials I work with…
I don’t think Canadians particularly care much about the environment, and they’re pretty conservative when it comes to lifestyle choices:
* They don’t want to replace a gas furnace with a heat pump: they don’t trust newfangled technology and don’t think heat pumps get hot enough
* They don’t want to replace gas stoves with induction cooktops because their mom and grandma swears by gas, and that’s what all the Pro’s use, don’tcha know?
* EVs? They don’t trust their range, battery capacity, and think the battery capacity goes down 50% in the winter
Although to be fair on the 3rd point: we’re one of the cheapest 1st world countries for gas (compare running a gas car in Canada vs England) and our public infrastructure for charging is extremely lackluster compared to Western Europe (which I know firsthand from extensive EU traveling in 2024)
Which leads us to where we’re at today: for most savvy car buyers, they tend to gravitate towards Hybrids so at least they can keep their gas bills as low as possible