>Despite the sector’s substantial climate impact, intercontinental flights to and from Europe remain largely **exempt** from the EU’s emissions trading system (ETS) – the bloc’s main tool for pricing carbon pollution from heavy-emitting sectors.
>**Billions in missed revenue**
>end exemptions for private jets.
Pret_ on
Why the fuck are private jets not taxed? They’re the assholes that can afford and should pay fuck tons of tax…
Suikerspin_Ei on
How about taxing on flights and use that money to invest more in railways (including high speed trains) over all of Europe? I guess lobbyists won’t like that.
Nono6768 on
They’ll just rerout flights to Zurich and London
2L84T on
How do you possibly use the word „earn“ to describe tax? This is simply dipping into the pockets of the travelling public to fund a raft of unnecessary, unwanted, and most likely fraudulent little EU schemes.
Ok_Significance8168 on
Then pay tribute to the U.S., oh no, I mean invest, haha.
Sauerkrautkid7 on
The current politicians are willing to help the rich, let them eat cake, at the risk of the far right becoming popular
1isOneshot1 on
Who knew? Rich people have all the money
QuailAndWasabi on
Somehow this tax will be avoided by the private jets and the rich and the ones paying the tax will be normal working people that just want to have a vacation once a year. This will make it so people don’t fly, tanking the flying industry, leading to way less than the projected €1T, causing job losses and reduced tourism. The small amount of actual tax revenue gained will probably have to be used to bail out the tanking aviation industry that the tax caused to begin with.
So thanks, but no thanks. I’ve been around long enough now to see how these increased taxes and their projected revenue seems to play out.
ObviouslyTriggered on
You don’t tax aviation, you don’t tax land, you always tax income either directly or with extra steps, you can only pay taxes with money and the only way to get money is income.
The rest is semantics, it’s how you calculate how much tax is due, but all tax is paid with income and since there is only so much income to go around it’s always a zero sum game.
At the end of the day people pay taxes, so just tax them directly once at the source so they can all see how much tax they actually pay.
katonda on
Private jets are a scourge on the environment. They should be taxed for every kilo of CO2 released in the atmosphere. Wanna fly private ? It’s expensive.
But we’re winning the fight against plastic straws…
p.s. i’d leave commercial aviation alone though, or a smaller tax, allow for mobility
Alarmed_Crazy_6620 on
It’s not like Europe is not getting any benefits from this tourist and business traffic the aviation brings
dotBombAU on
Like a rich tax? A rich tax that should have been brought in decades ago but poor and middle class get squeezed instead.
leginfr on
The EU tried to include flights in the ETS a few years ago. It got stomped on by practically everyone.
leginfr on
IIRC the EU tried to include flights in the ETS a few years ago. It got stomped on by practically everyone.
Gleerok99 on
They should not be taxed; they must be banned unless they are for medical or emergency reasons.
Tax the individuals, tax de rich, ban private jets they are wasteful and no amount of taxing is worth their environmental cost.
Piano_Man_1994 on
I wonder how many lobbyists and politicians writing these laws are most affected by private jet tax. It probably won’t happen.
Ok_Cod5649 on
My understanding is that it’s not that private jets are exempt, it’s that the threshold at which the ETS applies is too high for most private jet users.
The threshold is an annual 1,000 tonnes of CO2 for non-commercial flight operators (including but not exclusively private jets) – compared to 10,000 for commercial airlines. 1,000 tonnes a year was most likely chosen as the limit as it would exclude the likes of recreational skydiving/gliding operators and those air experience days (e.g. fly in a Spitfire). However, it’s also sufficiently high to cover a lot of private jets.
Reducing the threshold to say, 100 tonnes per year would cover the vast majority of private jets – but it would also cause collateral damage to other non-commercial operators. That’s not to say it shouldn’t be done, but it’s not nearly as black and white as people are making out.
They better take care of that sausage packing trips with cheap airlines. My recent experience: no air and space in aircraft, plane personell looked tired, idk about the pilots (but we all heared stories about overworked pilots) and had a regular knocking noise below me (was not too bad though). It felt like no one would really care or change anything if the plane would crash. Not too sure about flying again with any airlines really.
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>Despite the sector’s substantial climate impact, intercontinental flights to and from Europe remain largely **exempt** from the EU’s emissions trading system (ETS) – the bloc’s main tool for pricing carbon pollution from heavy-emitting sectors.
>**Billions in missed revenue**
>end exemptions for private jets.
Why the fuck are private jets not taxed? They’re the assholes that can afford and should pay fuck tons of tax…
How about taxing on flights and use that money to invest more in railways (including high speed trains) over all of Europe? I guess lobbyists won’t like that.
They’ll just rerout flights to Zurich and London
How do you possibly use the word „earn“ to describe tax? This is simply dipping into the pockets of the travelling public to fund a raft of unnecessary, unwanted, and most likely fraudulent little EU schemes.
Then pay tribute to the U.S., oh no, I mean invest, haha.
The current politicians are willing to help the rich, let them eat cake, at the risk of the far right becoming popular
Who knew? Rich people have all the money
Somehow this tax will be avoided by the private jets and the rich and the ones paying the tax will be normal working people that just want to have a vacation once a year. This will make it so people don’t fly, tanking the flying industry, leading to way less than the projected €1T, causing job losses and reduced tourism. The small amount of actual tax revenue gained will probably have to be used to bail out the tanking aviation industry that the tax caused to begin with.
So thanks, but no thanks. I’ve been around long enough now to see how these increased taxes and their projected revenue seems to play out.
You don’t tax aviation, you don’t tax land, you always tax income either directly or with extra steps, you can only pay taxes with money and the only way to get money is income.
The rest is semantics, it’s how you calculate how much tax is due, but all tax is paid with income and since there is only so much income to go around it’s always a zero sum game.
At the end of the day people pay taxes, so just tax them directly once at the source so they can all see how much tax they actually pay.
Private jets are a scourge on the environment. They should be taxed for every kilo of CO2 released in the atmosphere. Wanna fly private ? It’s expensive.
But we’re winning the fight against plastic straws…
p.s. i’d leave commercial aviation alone though, or a smaller tax, allow for mobility
It’s not like Europe is not getting any benefits from this tourist and business traffic the aviation brings
Like a rich tax? A rich tax that should have been brought in decades ago but poor and middle class get squeezed instead.
The EU tried to include flights in the ETS a few years ago. It got stomped on by practically everyone.
IIRC the EU tried to include flights in the ETS a few years ago. It got stomped on by practically everyone.
They should not be taxed; they must be banned unless they are for medical or emergency reasons.
Tax the individuals, tax de rich, ban private jets they are wasteful and no amount of taxing is worth their environmental cost.
I wonder how many lobbyists and politicians writing these laws are most affected by private jet tax. It probably won’t happen.
My understanding is that it’s not that private jets are exempt, it’s that the threshold at which the ETS applies is too high for most private jet users.
The threshold is an annual 1,000 tonnes of CO2 for non-commercial flight operators (including but not exclusively private jets) – compared to 10,000 for commercial airlines. 1,000 tonnes a year was most likely chosen as the limit as it would exclude the likes of recreational skydiving/gliding operators and those air experience days (e.g. fly in a Spitfire). However, it’s also sufficiently high to cover a lot of private jets.
Reducing the threshold to say, 100 tonnes per year would cover the vast majority of private jets – but it would also cause collateral damage to other non-commercial operators. That’s not to say it shouldn’t be done, but it’s not nearly as black and white as people are making out.
Many countries also levy separate taxes on private jets. For example, the UK’s Air Passenger Duty (which is usually calculated on a per seat basis) has specifically high rates for private jets [and is to be further increased](https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/budget-2024-private-jet-tax-rise-b2638927.html).
Europe loves taxes. That’s why it is failing.
They better take care of that sausage packing trips with cheap airlines. My recent experience: no air and space in aircraft, plane personell looked tired, idk about the pilots (but we all heared stories about overworked pilots) and had a regular knocking noise below me (was not too bad though). It felt like no one would really care or change anything if the plane would crash. Not too sure about flying again with any airlines really.