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    3. Jindujun on

      Isnt this was it used to be?
      „Identify by a miniscule CC charge“ rather than „Identify by ID“

      If so, how is that better??

    4. vegetoot on

      Whos gonna block me from the +18 part of internet if i dont identify? I believe net neutrality says isps cant do this. Also, you cant make your isp or the internet itself block all 18+ content. Thats just not feasible.

      Id be more happy with an idin (or eIDAS ) like system that content providers can adopt, provided the content provider only receives an approved 18+ and no personal data. Although logging your validations on the idin (like) side are a major concern there.

      Edit: spelling + added eIDAS as idin is just Dutch afaik

    7. Edhorn on

      What it should be: nothing.

      Everyone is saying the EU’s hammer is very well designed but I say, and this is maybe controversial, when you want to prevent a nail from being nailed in it’s a very bad idea to hand the EU a hammer.

    8. dgkimpton on

      Once again looking for a techno-legal solution to poor parenting.

      This doesn’t exist.

      If the parents don’t want to parent then no matter what technical or legal solutions are put in place kids will find a way around it. 

      Conversely, if parents are invested in parenting then there already plenty of viable technical aids they can use without requiring any laws.

      This whole debate is predicated on the false premise that it is the governments job to raise our kids. It isn’t. 

    12. Logical_Wheel_1420 on

      i’m pretty sure it’s:

      * if you’re a parent: enable family controls on your devices & wifi if you’re concerned about your kid watching stuff you don’t want them to

      * else: people are grown adults

    13. Independent_Pitch598 on

      All that is not needed. If someone would like to apply any limits it must be done on device by parents.

    14. Filias9 on

      No it should not. It’s nonsense. You are trying to solve small problem so you could pretend that you do „something“. Ignoring actual one.

    15. redvodkandpinkgin on

      And both are easily bypassed by using proxies or VPNs. If you don’t want your child to watch porn it’s your responsibility, not the government’s

    16. Crash_Logger on

      There should be no such thing. But I’m going to throw a weird case out too:

      I am 22 and don’t have a credit card, I’ve had the same type of debit card since I was 16 and will keep getting this type until I am 30, at least. How will the payment processor know I am not still 16?

      Why can I only provide ID if I have the piece of plastic that can get me in debt? With the not-too-distant proliferation of fully-online payment services, a credit card number may not be as universal as it is now.

    18. Hawkwise83 on

      Or just don’t have the regulation entirely. No one’s dying because they saw boobs on a website.

    20. async_andrew on

      How about this: The internet should be free and no means of obligatory deanonymization should be given neither to companies nor to governments.

    21. footpole on

      This is dumb. A CC or debit for that matter leaves a clear trace to whoever owns it. As far as I know it also doesn’t age check but that could be implemented although it’s irrelevant.

      An id check can be made totally anonymous so there’s no way to trace who the user is, just that they’ve verified that they’re 18.

    22. AlexCampy89 on

      What it **REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY** should be:

      Let parents do their duty and assume responsability if they can’t watch their sons properly.

    23. nitsotov on

      I don’t want my bank, government or anyone to know that I’m consuming porn daily.

      Next time when I talk to my wife she asks me, what is this 0€ payment to Big Black pussy destroyers?

      This is not a solution at all. Btw, not everyone has a credit card, but kids can already have debit cards when they are like 14. And credit cards are not used that much in the EU.

      Kids that want to watch porn are the same as the kids that masturbated to the dirty magazines in the 90’s and 80’s hek even 60’s and 70’s.
      Its not something you just stumble up to, it’s something you want to find.

      Maybe parents should talk with their kids, install parenting control on the devices etc. But we are lazy, prude and afraid to talk to our kids.

      Are we now also going to pay 0€ when we want to play an 18+ game, because anyone can buy it?
      I also hear my kid talking about kids in school that are 7 years old and watched the Squid Games, 5 nights at Freddie’s etc. But yeah 18+ killing shit is not a problem but nipples are.
      I think Rammstein was right, we are living in America.

    24. ITooHaveAnUsername on

      No, what it should be is nonexistent. It’s a total invasion of privacy.

    25. MrCaptainMorgan on

      It’s always „Child protection“ that is abused to install more and more censorship and surveillance in the EU.

    27. InsoPL on

      How about:
      1) Create whitelist of childsafe websites for different age groups.
      2) Strongly recommend or even force(up to the states) parents to install them on devices that the child has access to.
      3) Make it possible to use local admin pin to unlock a device in a common area, for example Smart TV

    28. hdhddf on

      this is why this regulation is not at all about protecting children. it should be a block list at isp or router level that you can opt devices out of

    29. stonkysdotcom on

      What is this nonsense?

      We don’t need enforced id control by the state

    31. scaptal on

      Problem there is that the govt knows exactly what porn you watch, as they verify thst you may watch it.

      if at some point an administration chooses to make some kinks illegal, idk, puppy play, bdsm, ddlg, then they have a list of everyone who watched it.

    33. EatsAlotOfBread on

      That’s because these rules are for surveillance and control of the public opinion, not for what they claim it’s for. 

    34. Kirla_ on

      What is an 18+ website?

      If you want to blacklist them, you must also recognize them

    37. 0x474f44 on

      I don’t understand how porn is still 18+. It’s closing our eyes at reality and holding onto old purity ideals.

      Also allowing/disallowing cookies should’ve been handled through a legally binding browser setting rather than each and every website implementing their own annoying cookie banner.

    38. Faszkivan_13 on

      I’ve had a debit card since I was 14 though

      But honestly it shouldn’t need verification, as many others have said, it’s the parents‘ responsibility…

    39. Johann_190 on

      Question. People in power are trying to convince us that the age verification app is privacy protecting and nobody can track you using it. But at the same time they are pushing for laws like chat control and protect eu that make it easy for them to find out exactly what sites you are visiting. Doesnt it make it basically useless whatever the app is private or not?

    40. OkAwareness8446 on

      Nah why not just let phone carriers and Android/Microsoft/Apple just have a simple profiles that’s geared towards children that parents can opt into that blocks 18+ content from app store and applies dns filter?

      Any solution that isnt on-device should rejected with no extra thought

    41. digiorno on

      It shouldn’t be.

      Really. It’s a massive invasion of privacy, it won’t protect children.

    42. jaywastaken on

      What it should actually be – parent setting up their children’s device account as a child and turning on parental controls to block porn.

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