Then why do democrats continue to so staunchly defend it?
LordBaneoftheSith on
Wow, surely this means she’ll be throwing her weight (such as it is) behind a radical for 2028, right? This realization must come with a condemnation of the establishment that lead us here, right?
mces97 on
We’re well past that..
ManyReach7296 on
No Sherlock, shit.
crystal_castles on
[*This is not normal*]
TheNewTonyBennett on
Which really just means it’s always been broken and every bit as abusable as it is currently. The only difference was for a while at least, the „honor“ system wasn’t shattered completely. Then came the ones who wanted to shatter it without so much as a second of hesitation.
There exists no actual form of punishment for President’s who commit crimes whilst they are President, which is why Trump clings so desperately to said immunity. It’s his free pass until his timer runs out.
Impeachment is *supposed* to be the punishment, but it’s ***painfully easy*** to infini-rig the impeachment system to just, never work as intended.
Hell, we’ve only ever had 1 SCOTUS judge impeached, but he ***was not removed***, just like every Presidential impeachment. The only SCOTUS judge to ever be impeached?
My ancestor, Samual (de)Chase.
Impeachment is a complete joke.
Low_Constant_4971 on
She held the second highest ranking executive office 1 year ago.
Biden and Harris had to take the corruption more seriously during their term .. they didn’t
Akimbo_Zap_Guns on
Yeah probably not the brightest idea to let the rich people be the ones make the laws
kaukamieli on
Could any system work if this many people just decide they don’t want to do anything to stop this?
Fascists can take power in better democracies too. Sure, this one is particularly shitty, but still.
RelativeHand4753 on
„We’re all looking for the guy who did this!“
RoughDragonfly4374 on
I gained some respect for her here. The interview was mostly meh. But if she’s serious about what she said, sounds like she’s going to travel the country and get to really figure out what things are like on the ground….. *good*. In her own words, she doesn’t want to be transactional. *Good*.
And she didn’t bite that stupid „I told you so“ bait that Colbert set up for her… she sounded like a serious adult here. *Good*. Sounds like she might have been pulled a little to the left throughout all of this. Even calling out fecklessness. *Great*.
Less moderate dumbassery, more real connection to people 👍 A woman *will* win.
nonsensestuff on
I just finished watching a documentary about The Gilded Age on PBS and it really feels so unfortunately relevant in all the worst ways…. There were people then that also recognized the system was broken. But unfortunately, republicans then also convinced working class people to vote against their best interests.
I wonder if we’ll ever break this cycle 😣
missed_sla on
I fully believe that higher offices should not be immune from criminal prosecution in any way. In fact, I think the standards should be higher and the penalties stiffer. We hold truck drivers and pilots to a higher standard than regular drivers because the consequences of them screwing up are higher. Why not the president and congress and judges? I know none of these people are going to actually reduce their own power, but that’s what needs to happen.
Also executive orders need to be eliminated, or at least greatly reduced in scope, and every one should have to pass a nonpartisan legal review.
Still-Ambassador2283 on
Werid. Why didn’t she push harder to fix it?
– National Ranked Voting?
– Codifying Roe V Wade?
– Bans on Congressional insider trading with enforcement teeth.
– No attempt to overturn citizens United?!
You failed at ALL of these.
We know its broken.You didn’t even win a single state in the primaries. Not one. Even your own.
Calm-Imagination3050 on
the system is broken on many levels.
it’s not delivering decent living standards for enough people nor does it give you hope for a better future if you work hard.
the frustration that comes with this is then also easily harvested by media owned by rich people who can decide to either invest in the far right or in a fix of the system which would lead to them losing power over resources.
In an ideal system you need a tax system that ensures a fixed ration between median networth and highest networth that is not dangerous for the democracy. If you want to get richer, everyone else has to get richer as well.
Media needs to be designed as an official pillar of separation of powers, not a secret pillar.
that comes with state money but without or little political interfering just like the legal system should be.
the legal system needs more power of executive forces in order to ensure equal rights.
supreme court justices should have terms of fixed duration.
the voting system needs to be reformed to prevent gerrymandering.
just some ideas
notgreatbot on
It’s been broken for awhile. Now it’s completely in pieces.
Jujubatron on
The woman that lost to the most unpopular US president in history goes around to sell her book.
criminalmadman on
Democracy the world over is broken not just the US. That’s not to say that I favour communism over it, right now it’s the best we have, but it’s still fucked.
xXBassHero99Xx on
O no, rly?
ThriftyFalcon on
But then she elaborates for 20 minutes, so that is def not the take away and it wasn’t an “I give up” statement. I hate this headline.
nerdwerds on
Ironic.
interstellarclerk on
Whoever smelt it dealt it
The_Darman on
This really seems like the starting line message of someone who realizes that part of the reason they lost last time was being pitched to voters as the person who will protect institutions many people don’t think have worked for them. If she wants to run again—which I think she does—she needs to start from the point of, “Yes, I agree with you that our system isn’t my working and that Trump has been abusing what doesn’t work about it. Here is how I’m going to fix it.” Being the change candidate, especially right now, is really powerful. I can’t imagine that people will feel better about our institutions—and Trump’s abuse of them—by 2028 either so it does feel prescient.
_SCHULTZY_ on
It’s still upsetting that the democratic party warned for years about the threat of Trump and about how he could not be allowed to regain power, yet when the enemy was at the gates, they just rolled over and shrugged.
They were in office. They had the ability to stand up for America and stop it. Instead, they did nothing but concede.
Why didn’t Biden release the Epstein files a week before the election? McConnell would have. Why didn’t Harris launch her own January 6th? Why didn’t Biden/Harris use 1/10th the power of the Trump administration to do whatever they wanted regardless of the law and Congress?
Instead of protecting the nation, they’re watching it burn so they can say „told ya so“ but that doesn’t get you reelected if there’s never another election.
thissomeotherplace on
Yeah, no shit.
It’s taken decades to break and it hasn’t broken by accident.
drtopfox on
Most depressing thread ever? I still have hope. I just don’t remember where I put it….
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Then why do democrats continue to so staunchly defend it?
Wow, surely this means she’ll be throwing her weight (such as it is) behind a radical for 2028, right? This realization must come with a condemnation of the establishment that lead us here, right?
We’re well past that..
No Sherlock, shit.
[*This is not normal*]
Which really just means it’s always been broken and every bit as abusable as it is currently. The only difference was for a while at least, the „honor“ system wasn’t shattered completely. Then came the ones who wanted to shatter it without so much as a second of hesitation.
There exists no actual form of punishment for President’s who commit crimes whilst they are President, which is why Trump clings so desperately to said immunity. It’s his free pass until his timer runs out.
Impeachment is *supposed* to be the punishment, but it’s ***painfully easy*** to infini-rig the impeachment system to just, never work as intended.
Hell, we’ve only ever had 1 SCOTUS judge impeached, but he ***was not removed***, just like every Presidential impeachment. The only SCOTUS judge to ever be impeached?
My ancestor, Samual (de)Chase.
Impeachment is a complete joke.
She held the second highest ranking executive office 1 year ago.
Great! Let’s fix it at a fundamental level. [Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting) and [Sequential Proportional Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting) will break the two party system and give us legislatures that actually represent public opinions.
Biden and Harris had to take the corruption more seriously during their term .. they didn’t
Yeah probably not the brightest idea to let the rich people be the ones make the laws
Could any system work if this many people just decide they don’t want to do anything to stop this?
Fascists can take power in better democracies too. Sure, this one is particularly shitty, but still.
„We’re all looking for the guy who did this!“
I gained some respect for her here. The interview was mostly meh. But if she’s serious about what she said, sounds like she’s going to travel the country and get to really figure out what things are like on the ground….. *good*. In her own words, she doesn’t want to be transactional. *Good*.
And she didn’t bite that stupid „I told you so“ bait that Colbert set up for her… she sounded like a serious adult here. *Good*. Sounds like she might have been pulled a little to the left throughout all of this. Even calling out fecklessness. *Great*.
Less moderate dumbassery, more real connection to people 👍 A woman *will* win.
I just finished watching a documentary about The Gilded Age on PBS and it really feels so unfortunately relevant in all the worst ways…. There were people then that also recognized the system was broken. But unfortunately, republicans then also convinced working class people to vote against their best interests.
I wonder if we’ll ever break this cycle 😣
I fully believe that higher offices should not be immune from criminal prosecution in any way. In fact, I think the standards should be higher and the penalties stiffer. We hold truck drivers and pilots to a higher standard than regular drivers because the consequences of them screwing up are higher. Why not the president and congress and judges? I know none of these people are going to actually reduce their own power, but that’s what needs to happen.
Also executive orders need to be eliminated, or at least greatly reduced in scope, and every one should have to pass a nonpartisan legal review.
Werid. Why didn’t she push harder to fix it?
– National Ranked Voting?
– Codifying Roe V Wade?
– Bans on Congressional insider trading with enforcement teeth.
– No attempt to overturn citizens United?!
You failed at ALL of these.
We know its broken.You didn’t even win a single state in the primaries. Not one. Even your own.
the system is broken on many levels.
it’s not delivering decent living standards for enough people nor does it give you hope for a better future if you work hard.
the frustration that comes with this is then also easily harvested by media owned by rich people who can decide to either invest in the far right or in a fix of the system which would lead to them losing power over resources.
In an ideal system you need a tax system that ensures a fixed ration between median networth and highest networth that is not dangerous for the democracy. If you want to get richer, everyone else has to get richer as well.
Media needs to be designed as an official pillar of separation of powers, not a secret pillar.
that comes with state money but without or little political interfering just like the legal system should be.
the legal system needs more power of executive forces in order to ensure equal rights.
supreme court justices should have terms of fixed duration.
the voting system needs to be reformed to prevent gerrymandering.
just some ideas
It’s been broken for awhile. Now it’s completely in pieces.
The woman that lost to the most unpopular US president in history goes around to sell her book.
Democracy the world over is broken not just the US. That’s not to say that I favour communism over it, right now it’s the best we have, but it’s still fucked.
O no, rly?
But then she elaborates for 20 minutes, so that is def not the take away and it wasn’t an “I give up” statement. I hate this headline.
Ironic.
Whoever smelt it dealt it
This really seems like the starting line message of someone who realizes that part of the reason they lost last time was being pitched to voters as the person who will protect institutions many people don’t think have worked for them. If she wants to run again—which I think she does—she needs to start from the point of, “Yes, I agree with you that our system isn’t my working and that Trump has been abusing what doesn’t work about it. Here is how I’m going to fix it.” Being the change candidate, especially right now, is really powerful. I can’t imagine that people will feel better about our institutions—and Trump’s abuse of them—by 2028 either so it does feel prescient.
It’s still upsetting that the democratic party warned for years about the threat of Trump and about how he could not be allowed to regain power, yet when the enemy was at the gates, they just rolled over and shrugged.
They were in office. They had the ability to stand up for America and stop it. Instead, they did nothing but concede.
Why didn’t Biden release the Epstein files a week before the election? McConnell would have. Why didn’t Harris launch her own January 6th? Why didn’t Biden/Harris use 1/10th the power of the Trump administration to do whatever they wanted regardless of the law and Congress?
Instead of protecting the nation, they’re watching it burn so they can say „told ya so“ but that doesn’t get you reelected if there’s never another election.
Yeah, no shit.
It’s taken decades to break and it hasn’t broken by accident.
Most depressing thread ever? I still have hope. I just don’t remember where I put it….