This will for sure spell the end of Poilievre. With all of the shenanigans involving write in ballots – including people writing the wrong name, not being able to spell his name, etc. – it’s all but assured that his percentage of the vote will drop way below the 80%+ threshold.
If PP drops to 60% in this riding, I think his leadership is toast, because it’s yet another example of how much his lack of popularity as a leader is dragging the party’s fortunes down.
SteveMcQwark on
This is very much not okay. To be clear, it’s okay that Elections Canada is making this choice under the circumstances; it’s not okay that these circumstances have been allowed to happen. The allocation of resources in the running of elections is supposed to be democratically determined. One hundred people get to nominate one candidate. If 20,000 people had participated in nominating candidates, this would be an understandable outcome. That hasn’t happened. The same 100-ish people nominated most of these candidates, deciding unilaterally to subject their fellow constituents to this, in a way that has now fundamentally altered how the election needs to be run. That is anti-democratic.
We need to make sure that each candidate has their own agent collecting signatures independently so that you don’t get such a small number people being able to upend the running of an election.
Sir__Will on
They’ve pushed it too far this time. I support the cause but not the method. And now instead of PP and a couple more viable Independents on a ballot, the ballot has no names at all.
There will inevitably be changes to counter this now I think. I just hope they’re small, common sense changes and not like what PP was proposing which would be bad for democracy and make it hard for smaller candidates to get on the ballot.
Apolloshot on
> When asked for comment, a Longest Ballot Committee spokesperson said in an email: „Sounds like they found a very reasonable solution.“
Honestly these smug jerks have made me want to end my support for electoral reform out of spite. They’ve made a complete mockery of our Electoral System and seem to relish in it.
This has clearly gotten to the point that legislation is required to end this pathetic farce before it’s allowed to go beyond this by-election.
jonlmbs on
Without write in ballots the actual ballot would be over 7 feet long printed. This is completely absurd at this point.
This whole thing is going to create incentives for any other activist protest group to make a mockery of our ballot box in future elections with all the press this has gotten. All it will take is one other bad actor group to perform the same stunt in a future high profile election for everyone to realize this is a bad idea to let continue.
RNTMA on
I guess we’re not going to have to wait 10 hours for the election results to come in, since this will be counted way faster than a 200 name ballot.
These types of extreme decisions will basically guarantee that one of the first acts we see when parliament resumes is some law that stops the longest ballot committee. They’ve succeeded with their goal of „electoral reform“, though I don’t think they’re going to like the reform that they get. All it will do is make it more difficult for independents to run, but it is necessary when people abuse the rules like this.
joshedis on
The protest is an extreme that has shown the flaws in our current Electoral System. Fortunately, being used for annoyance rather than malicious intent.
What problems has this highlighted that you think need to be changed?
For me, I think this means that candidates need to actually live in the riding to run as a candidate. All of these parachute candidates have zero stakes and shouldn’t be allowed. They should also need their own local Official Agents who are linked to their single candidate.
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This will for sure spell the end of Poilievre. With all of the shenanigans involving write in ballots – including people writing the wrong name, not being able to spell his name, etc. – it’s all but assured that his percentage of the vote will drop way below the 80%+ threshold.
If PP drops to 60% in this riding, I think his leadership is toast, because it’s yet another example of how much his lack of popularity as a leader is dragging the party’s fortunes down.
This is very much not okay. To be clear, it’s okay that Elections Canada is making this choice under the circumstances; it’s not okay that these circumstances have been allowed to happen. The allocation of resources in the running of elections is supposed to be democratically determined. One hundred people get to nominate one candidate. If 20,000 people had participated in nominating candidates, this would be an understandable outcome. That hasn’t happened. The same 100-ish people nominated most of these candidates, deciding unilaterally to subject their fellow constituents to this, in a way that has now fundamentally altered how the election needs to be run. That is anti-democratic.
We need to make sure that each candidate has their own agent collecting signatures independently so that you don’t get such a small number people being able to upend the running of an election.
They’ve pushed it too far this time. I support the cause but not the method. And now instead of PP and a couple more viable Independents on a ballot, the ballot has no names at all.
There will inevitably be changes to counter this now I think. I just hope they’re small, common sense changes and not like what PP was proposing which would be bad for democracy and make it hard for smaller candidates to get on the ballot.
> When asked for comment, a Longest Ballot Committee spokesperson said in an email: „Sounds like they found a very reasonable solution.“
Honestly these smug jerks have made me want to end my support for electoral reform out of spite. They’ve made a complete mockery of our Electoral System and seem to relish in it.
This has clearly gotten to the point that legislation is required to end this pathetic farce before it’s allowed to go beyond this by-election.
Without write in ballots the actual ballot would be over 7 feet long printed. This is completely absurd at this point.
This whole thing is going to create incentives for any other activist protest group to make a mockery of our ballot box in future elections with all the press this has gotten. All it will take is one other bad actor group to perform the same stunt in a future high profile election for everyone to realize this is a bad idea to let continue.
I guess we’re not going to have to wait 10 hours for the election results to come in, since this will be counted way faster than a 200 name ballot.
These types of extreme decisions will basically guarantee that one of the first acts we see when parliament resumes is some law that stops the longest ballot committee. They’ve succeeded with their goal of „electoral reform“, though I don’t think they’re going to like the reform that they get. All it will do is make it more difficult for independents to run, but it is necessary when people abuse the rules like this.
The protest is an extreme that has shown the flaws in our current Electoral System. Fortunately, being used for annoyance rather than malicious intent.
What problems has this highlighted that you think need to be changed?
For me, I think this means that candidates need to actually live in the riding to run as a candidate. All of these parachute candidates have zero stakes and shouldn’t be allowed. They should also need their own local Official Agents who are linked to their single candidate.