Ich habe dieses Zeichen heute entdeckt und war ziemlich überrascht. Der oberste Teil ist die Standardüberwachung von 24/7 der Polizei, aber ich habe noch nie eine Regierung angekündigt, dass sie die Aufzeichnung für Proteste einstellen.
In Großbritannien fühlt es sich so an, als würden Kameras speziell zur Überwachung von Proteste da sind. Dies scheint also der genaue entgegengesetzte Ansatz zu sein.
Warum ist das ein Gesetz in Deutschland? Ich vermute, es hat mit dem Schutz der Versammlungsfreiheit zu tun, würde aber alle Deutschen oder Rechtsexperten lieben, die Geschichte und das Denken dahinter zu erklären. Ist das im ganzen Land üblich?
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Von Chloebaex
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it is a law in NRW… [https://recht.nrw.de/lmi/owa/br_bes_detail?sg=0&menu=0&bes_id=5173&anw_nr=2&aufgehoben=N&det_id=644256](https://recht.nrw.de/lmi/owa/br_bes_detail?sg=0&menu=0&bes_id=5173&anw_nr=2&aufgehoben=N&det_id=644256)
The Law that governs this is literally written on the sign and it explains why:
§15a PolG NRW
Until someone forgets to turn it off.
It’s normal in Germany. The theory behind it is, that in fear of being recorded during a assemby some people would tend to not behaving, expressing their opinion or joining at all as they would like to without cameras.
Therefore it was ruled, that surveillance cameras could surpress the freedom to assembly and freedom of speech.
But this is only for peaceful protests. If crimes or dangers are expexted there are exeptions for the police (e.g. Art. 9 BayVersG in Bavaria).
The right to assembly is very important in the jurisprudence of the Federal Constitutional Court. They have ruled that camera surveillance would intimidate people and restrict their freedom to assemble and make their opinion heard.
The police is allowed to take overview pictures that do not allow identification of individual protesters though.
It’s a general legal thing: The general police law does not apply to public protests but only the Versammlungsgesetz which gives less powers to thw police.
In fact, certain German CCTV maker builds their cameras with a privacy cover slide that blocks the camera for these purposes. It’s quite interesting.
[Dallmeier Protects Freedom Of Assembly With Panomera Cameras | Security News](https://www.securityinformed.com/news/dallmeier-brings-panomera-privacy-shield-cameras-co-527-ga-npr.1648808374.html)
Yes, exactly. Because of the freedom of assembly (Grundgesetz/Constitution) it’s not legal „per se“ to monitor and record gatherings and demonstrations. This is valid for political demonstrations and assemblys, although two different laws are responsible: first is „Versammlungsgesetz“ and the latter the mentioned „Polizeigesetz“.
But honestly, at least in my federal state (Saxony) the police has a very „broad“ interpretation of it. Since both laws say that the police indeed can monitor assemblys and demonstrations if there are participants who „might“ be violent or a danger, they push the „might“ to the edge and monitor very often and constant…
To give a bit of an explanation beyond citing the law.
Due to the constitutional rights to protest, protests themselves are under special protection. Normal police law is NOT applicable for protests (and the foundation for this type of surveillance is found in state police laws).
Meaning during a protests, the permission for the police to record these actions is inactive. Police law becomes relevant again if a protest is dissolved.
In addition, there are rulings of the constitutional Court regarding the psychological influences on protests if the government records the participants. Wearing masks during protests is for example already illegal, so having a recording by the government could intimidate people not to participate.
This seems to make no sense. If the amount of people multiplies the amount of crimes will multiply as well.