Hard disagree. America has immense strategic interest in Europe. To abandon that would be the US simply giving up the global influence that has lasted since WW2.
robbberry on
Never thought the day would come when the Foreign Affairs rag would be advocating for abandoning US foreign affairs.
Bullboah on
For anyone that’s not going to read the article:
The author isn’t talking about complete abandonment of Europe – he’s arguing for a drawdown of the number of troops and assets in Europe as Europe ramps up defenses.
I’m against the US pulling all the way out – it wouldn’t be good for the US and would be catastrophic for Europe, but a draw down might make sense (while still supporting the Ukrainian effort.)
I don’t think it matters a ton whether we have 10,000 or 60,000 troops there. If a war starts over a country we’re defending, we can move troops to Europe fairly quickly.
Iksan777 on
IMO USA bases in Europe are fundamentally part of Its projection power and any protection of the continent since the 90s is and afterthougt.
RickSchwifty on
From a European security perspective, we must act as if the U.S. has already withdrawn — not because it should, but because the geopolitical reality demands it. The U.S. can no longer defend both Europe and confront an increasingly assertive China.
MethylphenidateMan on
It’s beyond delusional to think that after everything Trump has done, Europe will re-arm itself just to report back to Americans saying „Ok, we did what you asked, what can we do to help you in pursuing our shared strategic interests? Also, tell us what they are cause we didn’t get the latest memo.“.
It’s embarrassing for a supposed international affairs expert to be this deep in denial about the rift between Europe and US.
A US that wants to discuss the European security architecture with Russia over the heads of Europeans is not an ally to Europe and there are 0 shared strategic interests to talk about.
TMWNN on
Over the years I’ve more and more come to believe that [Jeane Kirkpatrick’s advice at the end of the Cold War for the US to declare victory and get out of NATO was correct](https://warontherocks.com/2018/10/jeane-kirkpatrick-and-the-roots-of-principled-realism/). Germany alone could, if it wanted, fund a military more powerful than Russia’s. Why doesn’t it? The answer is obvious (beyond „Germans have moved beyond primitive urges to militarize“), and the answer is why Trump is going to get his wish regarding rebalancing American forces in Europe and, eventually, either NATO members meeting the new 3.5%/5% mark or the dissolving of the alliance.
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Hard disagree. America has immense strategic interest in Europe. To abandon that would be the US simply giving up the global influence that has lasted since WW2.
Never thought the day would come when the Foreign Affairs rag would be advocating for abandoning US foreign affairs.
For anyone that’s not going to read the article:
The author isn’t talking about complete abandonment of Europe – he’s arguing for a drawdown of the number of troops and assets in Europe as Europe ramps up defenses.
I’m against the US pulling all the way out – it wouldn’t be good for the US and would be catastrophic for Europe, but a draw down might make sense (while still supporting the Ukrainian effort.)
I don’t think it matters a ton whether we have 10,000 or 60,000 troops there. If a war starts over a country we’re defending, we can move troops to Europe fairly quickly.
IMO USA bases in Europe are fundamentally part of Its projection power and any protection of the continent since the 90s is and afterthougt.
From a European security perspective, we must act as if the U.S. has already withdrawn — not because it should, but because the geopolitical reality demands it. The U.S. can no longer defend both Europe and confront an increasingly assertive China.
It’s beyond delusional to think that after everything Trump has done, Europe will re-arm itself just to report back to Americans saying „Ok, we did what you asked, what can we do to help you in pursuing our shared strategic interests? Also, tell us what they are cause we didn’t get the latest memo.“.
It’s embarrassing for a supposed international affairs expert to be this deep in denial about the rift between Europe and US.
A US that wants to discuss the European security architecture with Russia over the heads of Europeans is not an ally to Europe and there are 0 shared strategic interests to talk about.
Over the years I’ve more and more come to believe that [Jeane Kirkpatrick’s advice at the end of the Cold War for the US to declare victory and get out of NATO was correct](https://warontherocks.com/2018/10/jeane-kirkpatrick-and-the-roots-of-principled-realism/). Germany alone could, if it wanted, fund a military more powerful than Russia’s. Why doesn’t it? The answer is obvious (beyond „Germans have moved beyond primitive urges to militarize“), and the answer is why Trump is going to get his wish regarding rebalancing American forces in Europe and, eventually, either NATO members meeting the new 3.5%/5% mark or the dissolving of the alliance.