Preparing the grounds for raising the retirement age to sustain those currently on it.
DangerousArt7072 on
oh good heavans the richest generation in our countries history cant afford to go on 3 cruises a year anymore this is a disgrace we need a winter cruise allowence now!!!
UnkleTomCobley on
I jolly well hope they’ve cancelled bingo night and whatever it is pensioners have on their toast.
Reasonable_Blood6959 on
Yep, looks like they’ve decided to raise the State Pension age and are getting the messaging out now.
trmetroidmaniac on
>Kendall confirmed that she was also launching the regular statutory review of the state pensions age. It is set at 66 but is already expected to rise to 67 between 2026 and 2028.
>Kendall made clear that the costly triple lock pensions guarantee will not be considered by the commission, which is set to report in 2027. “The triple lock is out of scope,” she said.
This country will do literally anything but stop enriching the current generation of pensioners.
>It will also look at the idea of “sidecar savings”, which are advocated by the Resolution Foundation thinktank whose former chair, Torsten Bell, is a pensions minister. This approach would allow a set amount of pension savings to be accessed as a rainy-day fund in emergencies.
This sounds good on paper. I’m sure people would save more into their pensions if it weren’t completely untouchable for 30-odd years.
Heliophrate on
Make hay while the sun shines. If the richest generation in history couldn’t plan for their retirement in the easiest period in history, ultimately it’s their own fault. Working people should not be impoverished so they can go on another holiday a year.
APx_35 on
The Germans just released a study to let rich boomers pay for their poor boomer counterparts.
Do that and lets hope the Worst Generation leaves this planet as fast as possible so we can move on before it is too late.
Desperate_Caramel_10 on
She’s talking about when Gen X and Millennials begin retiring but she isn’t wrong.
Express-Doughnut-562 on
„We need to reform pensions!“
>“The triple lock is out of scope”
But not in a meaningful way!
Honestly the state of an article blaming the young for not paying enough for their future when the old didn’t have to think about it and quite often got final salary pensions is sort of hilarious. The young can’t afford to put a roof over their heads now, let alone think about 40 – 50 – (60 – 70?) years time.
Meanwhile the elderly must carry on as they are.
LFC_Egg on
At this point, as a 33 year old renting an overpriced flat, living paycheck to paycheck with my wife…
I do not give a shit about pensioners.
WGSMA on
It was a nasty bit of work for the Tories to reverse the age rise on the way out the door knowing full well that Labour would have to put it back up
Relevant-Expert8740 on
Did none of these people put any money aside in a retirement fund when they were younger?
weneedstrongerglue on
I think a lot of people’s retirement plan will be playing rock, paper, scissors with their significant other to see which one is going to have an accident and which one is going to get a life insurance pay out.
cactusnan on
Nothing knew about this. Poverty in retirement has been around forever.
Lorry_Al on
In the UK there are more children in poverty than pensioners.
Get your priorities right.
Unless you want those children to still be in poverty when they’re pensioners.
Silly me for expecting the government to think long term.
JayR_97 on
It’s gonna be a mess when millennials hit retirement age and they don’t have a house to sell to fund their spot in a care home
Eddie-UK-Irl on
You mean high taxes and regulation hasn’t bought us prosperity ? Who would have thought it…
Necessary-Product361 on
And an already here flood of child and working age poverty which for some reason she isn’t talking about.
the_magicwriter on
So when women are working until they’re 70, who’s going to be providing free childcare for grandchildren and taking care of elderly parents or disabled relatives?
Is the cost of losing that free labour really less than it would cost to pay people pensions they can live on? How about trying to drive down the cost of living by stopping the rich from fleecing us?
0ttoChriek on
The brutal truth is that retirement pensions were never designed for people living twenty or more years past their retirement. They were designed to keep the oldies ticking for the last few, worn out years of their lives, before they carked it.
The state pension was introduced in 1908, when life expectancy in the UK was about 52. A lot of those who were paying into the pot never even lived long enough to take anything out. Now life expectancy is over 80, and governments are belatedly realising that there isn’t enough money for them.
There isn’t an easy solve, but I do know that continuing to borrow from existing pension pots to keep paying those who are already receiving the state pension isn’t going to work out in the long run.
lumikaneda on
The current socio-economic consensus saw current retirees take advantage of the likes of right to buy, and memberships to defined benefit pension schemes. Social housing was never replenished, local authorities kneecapped to fix it, and the pensions regime shifted to favour the employer – as one of the key pillars of retirement left the responsibility of your employer and was given directly to you ( and you weren’t educated or prepared for this, similar to the waspi women situation, they certainly try and make out efforts were made but it’s just a con to take from you and relax the demands on the employer (or State in the case of the waspi women)).
The greed of this consensus, the mentality it embedded into the country (me, mine and f*?* Everyone else) is a large reason for the state we are in. It wasn’t a consensus made with younger cohorts, this was decided before us.
Pensioners and other retirees are the largest holders of wealth in the country, when looking purely in generational cohort terms, as such squeezing them would likely result in stationary capital moving, (woo GDP). It’s encouraged ideologically.
Again this is not something I would do if I was in charge, myself or even a bunch of 8 year olds (for context, a bunch of year 4s with no training) would likely come up with anything better.
TheOnlyNemesis on
More than 1 in 5 people in the UK (21%) were in poverty in 2022/23 – 14.3 million people. Of these, 8.1 million were working-age adults, 4.3 million were children and 1.9 million were pensioners.
Fuck all the working age adults and kids then I guess
Boom_in_my_room on
How about we also implement a max voting age. Why do old sods get to decide how the younger generation live when they won’t be around to see the consequences of their vote. At the same time add a max politician age that is directly linked to retirement age.
Nielips on
That’s predominantly because of the current crop of pensioners and the way that taxation and benefits work in their favour. Taking from working people and giving it directly to pensioners.
Helpful_Talk on
Not MPs and civil servants, though with their gold plated pensions
SaltTyre on
Labour’s political priorities are all over the place. Surely, since they’ve dropped plans to force UK pension funds to invest here in the UK, every £1 put into a private pension simply removes £1 in immediate consumption?
Put another way – if your priority is immediate and sustained economic growth, how does encouraging people to boost their private pension in the here and now achieve this?
There’s just no wider strategy or narrative with this Government
nerdyPagaman on
Wait until she finds out how the people of working age is doing.
My struggling SIL, her husband and 2 kids can’t afford heating in a tiny house.
But via taxation pay for my parents, who took early retirement to have subsidised heating for a 4 bed detached.
There used to be a party that was idiologically opposed to benefits due to moral hazards like this one. I wonder what happened to it?
Remarkable-Ad155 on
Good job there’s no major technological advances on the cards and there’ll be plenty of work for people to keep going into their 70s well into the next century. Now if you don’t mind, having solved that particular crisis I’m off to stick my head back in this sand and bury it.
Apez_in_Space on
Here’s a hard decision: cancel final salary pensions after 80, stop all winter fuel payments and cap the voting age at 60. Time for change.
Best-Hovercraft-5494 on
Generation Sponge, never fought a war, only ever fought planning applications.
Phainesthai on
Have they considered cancelling their Netflix subscriptions or downsizing their £600,000 houses they bought for a ball of yarn?
ohnondinmypants on
Anyone any idea how a means tested would look? What amount in private pension per month could you get before you start having your state pension reduced?
PinacoladaBunny on
Yet they’re not addressing the elephant in the room. The rising costs of literally fucking everything is the crux of the problem for all of us who aren’t rich. For the pensioners with limited or no savings, there is absolutely no wiggle room whatsoever. It’s either destitution or die.
Nobody will employ them and they’re generally unfit to work on the whole anyway, so there’s no way to generate extra income. A fifth of pensioners live in houses worth at least a million, which means a lot of pensioners are in mid to lower cost housing, renting privately, or are in council housing.
When we’ve got the highest energy costs in Europe, water rates that are going up and up and up, food prices still increasing.. it’s absolutely no wonder we’re staring a national crisis head on for even more poverty than we do now. And what’re they doing about it? Taking more and more from the people who haven’t got it to spare.
wkavinsky on
Yeah it’s called everyone who’s not currently retired.
mturner1993 on
I mean relatively obvious. The current 60 year olds are planning to rely on the state pension. My father in law has about 60k in his pension, think my dad has about 100k. NOT mortgage free either.
galdan on
We need to resort to the American method …just walk into the forest and blow your brains out at 70 …pretty sure this is the real reason why guns are legal
The_39th_Step on
A child in the UK is 3 times more likely to be in poverty than a pensioner. Nobody cares because they don’t vote. This country is a disgrace
Azalith on
„Here is my Tsunami of Pensioner Poverty Bill“ – Liz Kendall
DeepestShallows on
Maybe a fifth of the population stopping working is a bit of an issue?
brg9327 on
Well my fellow millennials, Z and Alphas.
Time to get lubed up.
3p2p on
As long as they don’t decide to take the state pension away because I have a private pension and have saved all my life responsibly looking out for myself. Millennial here so we’re getting screwed by boomers either way as they suck the pot dry. The economy and standard of living has regressed for 20years of my entire working life and that retirement gets pushed further away each time you look. I hate all this, changing the deal is not acceptable.
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Preparing the grounds for raising the retirement age to sustain those currently on it.
oh good heavans the richest generation in our countries history cant afford to go on 3 cruises a year anymore this is a disgrace we need a winter cruise allowence now!!!
I jolly well hope they’ve cancelled bingo night and whatever it is pensioners have on their toast.
Yep, looks like they’ve decided to raise the State Pension age and are getting the messaging out now.
>Kendall confirmed that she was also launching the regular statutory review of the state pensions age. It is set at 66 but is already expected to rise to 67 between 2026 and 2028.
>Kendall made clear that the costly triple lock pensions guarantee will not be considered by the commission, which is set to report in 2027. “The triple lock is out of scope,” she said.
This country will do literally anything but stop enriching the current generation of pensioners.
>It will also look at the idea of “sidecar savings”, which are advocated by the Resolution Foundation thinktank whose former chair, Torsten Bell, is a pensions minister. This approach would allow a set amount of pension savings to be accessed as a rainy-day fund in emergencies.
This sounds good on paper. I’m sure people would save more into their pensions if it weren’t completely untouchable for 30-odd years.
Make hay while the sun shines. If the richest generation in history couldn’t plan for their retirement in the easiest period in history, ultimately it’s their own fault. Working people should not be impoverished so they can go on another holiday a year.
The Germans just released a study to let rich boomers pay for their poor boomer counterparts.
Do that and lets hope the Worst Generation leaves this planet as fast as possible so we can move on before it is too late.
She’s talking about when Gen X and Millennials begin retiring but she isn’t wrong.
„We need to reform pensions!“
>“The triple lock is out of scope”
But not in a meaningful way!
Honestly the state of an article blaming the young for not paying enough for their future when the old didn’t have to think about it and quite often got final salary pensions is sort of hilarious. The young can’t afford to put a roof over their heads now, let alone think about 40 – 50 – (60 – 70?) years time.
Meanwhile the elderly must carry on as they are.
At this point, as a 33 year old renting an overpriced flat, living paycheck to paycheck with my wife…
I do not give a shit about pensioners.
It was a nasty bit of work for the Tories to reverse the age rise on the way out the door knowing full well that Labour would have to put it back up
Did none of these people put any money aside in a retirement fund when they were younger?
I think a lot of people’s retirement plan will be playing rock, paper, scissors with their significant other to see which one is going to have an accident and which one is going to get a life insurance pay out.
Nothing knew about this. Poverty in retirement has been around forever.
In the UK there are more children in poverty than pensioners.
Get your priorities right.
Unless you want those children to still be in poverty when they’re pensioners.
Silly me for expecting the government to think long term.
It’s gonna be a mess when millennials hit retirement age and they don’t have a house to sell to fund their spot in a care home
You mean high taxes and regulation hasn’t bought us prosperity ? Who would have thought it…
And an already here flood of child and working age poverty which for some reason she isn’t talking about.
So when women are working until they’re 70, who’s going to be providing free childcare for grandchildren and taking care of elderly parents or disabled relatives?
Is the cost of losing that free labour really less than it would cost to pay people pensions they can live on? How about trying to drive down the cost of living by stopping the rich from fleecing us?
The brutal truth is that retirement pensions were never designed for people living twenty or more years past their retirement. They were designed to keep the oldies ticking for the last few, worn out years of their lives, before they carked it.
The state pension was introduced in 1908, when life expectancy in the UK was about 52. A lot of those who were paying into the pot never even lived long enough to take anything out. Now life expectancy is over 80, and governments are belatedly realising that there isn’t enough money for them.
There isn’t an easy solve, but I do know that continuing to borrow from existing pension pots to keep paying those who are already receiving the state pension isn’t going to work out in the long run.
The current socio-economic consensus saw current retirees take advantage of the likes of right to buy, and memberships to defined benefit pension schemes. Social housing was never replenished, local authorities kneecapped to fix it, and the pensions regime shifted to favour the employer – as one of the key pillars of retirement left the responsibility of your employer and was given directly to you ( and you weren’t educated or prepared for this, similar to the waspi women situation, they certainly try and make out efforts were made but it’s just a con to take from you and relax the demands on the employer (or State in the case of the waspi women)).
The greed of this consensus, the mentality it embedded into the country (me, mine and f*?* Everyone else) is a large reason for the state we are in. It wasn’t a consensus made with younger cohorts, this was decided before us.
Pensioners and other retirees are the largest holders of wealth in the country, when looking purely in generational cohort terms, as such squeezing them would likely result in stationary capital moving, (woo GDP). It’s encouraged ideologically.
Again this is not something I would do if I was in charge, myself or even a bunch of 8 year olds (for context, a bunch of year 4s with no training) would likely come up with anything better.
More than 1 in 5 people in the UK (21%) were in poverty in 2022/23 – 14.3 million people. Of these, 8.1 million were working-age adults, 4.3 million were children and 1.9 million were pensioners.
Fuck all the working age adults and kids then I guess
How about we also implement a max voting age. Why do old sods get to decide how the younger generation live when they won’t be around to see the consequences of their vote. At the same time add a max politician age that is directly linked to retirement age.
That’s predominantly because of the current crop of pensioners and the way that taxation and benefits work in their favour. Taking from working people and giving it directly to pensioners.
Not MPs and civil servants, though with their gold plated pensions
Labour’s political priorities are all over the place. Surely, since they’ve dropped plans to force UK pension funds to invest here in the UK, every £1 put into a private pension simply removes £1 in immediate consumption?
Put another way – if your priority is immediate and sustained economic growth, how does encouraging people to boost their private pension in the here and now achieve this?
There’s just no wider strategy or narrative with this Government
Wait until she finds out how the people of working age is doing.
My struggling SIL, her husband and 2 kids can’t afford heating in a tiny house.
But via taxation pay for my parents, who took early retirement to have subsidised heating for a 4 bed detached.
There used to be a party that was idiologically opposed to benefits due to moral hazards like this one. I wonder what happened to it?
Good job there’s no major technological advances on the cards and there’ll be plenty of work for people to keep going into their 70s well into the next century. Now if you don’t mind, having solved that particular crisis I’m off to stick my head back in this sand and bury it.
Here’s a hard decision: cancel final salary pensions after 80, stop all winter fuel payments and cap the voting age at 60. Time for change.
Generation Sponge, never fought a war, only ever fought planning applications.
Have they considered cancelling their Netflix subscriptions or downsizing their £600,000 houses they bought for a ball of yarn?
Anyone any idea how a means tested would look? What amount in private pension per month could you get before you start having your state pension reduced?
Yet they’re not addressing the elephant in the room. The rising costs of literally fucking everything is the crux of the problem for all of us who aren’t rich. For the pensioners with limited or no savings, there is absolutely no wiggle room whatsoever. It’s either destitution or die.
Nobody will employ them and they’re generally unfit to work on the whole anyway, so there’s no way to generate extra income. A fifth of pensioners live in houses worth at least a million, which means a lot of pensioners are in mid to lower cost housing, renting privately, or are in council housing.
When we’ve got the highest energy costs in Europe, water rates that are going up and up and up, food prices still increasing.. it’s absolutely no wonder we’re staring a national crisis head on for even more poverty than we do now. And what’re they doing about it? Taking more and more from the people who haven’t got it to spare.
Yeah it’s called everyone who’s not currently retired.
I mean relatively obvious. The current 60 year olds are planning to rely on the state pension. My father in law has about 60k in his pension, think my dad has about 100k. NOT mortgage free either.
We need to resort to the American method …just walk into the forest and blow your brains out at 70 …pretty sure this is the real reason why guns are legal
A child in the UK is 3 times more likely to be in poverty than a pensioner. Nobody cares because they don’t vote. This country is a disgrace
„Here is my Tsunami of Pensioner Poverty Bill“ – Liz Kendall
Maybe a fifth of the population stopping working is a bit of an issue?
Well my fellow millennials, Z and Alphas.
Time to get lubed up.
As long as they don’t decide to take the state pension away because I have a private pension and have saved all my life responsibly looking out for myself. Millennial here so we’re getting screwed by boomers either way as they suck the pot dry. The economy and standard of living has regressed for 20years of my entire working life and that retirement gets pushed further away each time you look. I hate all this, changing the deal is not acceptable.