This order literally never made any sense. Even for people who hold the view that giving China access to the algorithm and data of one of the most popular apps in Canada is a national security threat, this order didn’t actually address that risk. Instead all it did was remove Tiktok’s physical presence from Canada, while keeping the app available.
So, we essentially would put Tiktok beyond the reaches of Canadian law, and cost hundreds of jobs, for no discernable national security benefits. It was all the downsides of a crackdown with virtually none of the upsides. No wonder no other country pursued this route.
I think Joly should accept this opportunity to meet and try to work out an actually productive solution. Maybe extract concessions on local data storage, or insist that if US Tiktok is sold to an non-Chinese buyer, Canada also comes along. I also think there is a risk that the Federal Court rules this order is unreasonable; usually courts show the feds a lot of deference on national security issues, but this order is so nonsensical, it might actually not survive reasonableness review. That would reduce our leverage further, and is more reason to take this meeting.
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This is *very* *very* shrewd phraseology that He uses in his letter.
> „There is no upside to this outdated and counterproductive government order, which was issued under a different government and in a different era, and which doesn’t reflect today’s reality,“ the letter says.
Here He assumes simply „Because Trump“ or „They are not, so Canada should not.“ Im sorry, but **IF** the US has been bought off, it is a *big* assumption to think Canada can be as well.
> Chew said no evidence has been presented to show that TikTok is a security threat to Canada and the government has not been interested in discussing solutions.
Here He is using the Secrecy around a national security review (done in part by CSIS) to pre-emptivly shape the narrative to a „Public See Nothing & We So Innocent“ POV. He has *No Idea* (like the rest of us) what CSIS found/advised
> On July 7, TikTok said it was pulling out as a sponsor of several Canadian arts institutions, including the Juno Awards and the Toronto International Film Festival.
Here is the obligatory „We *Give* to the Community“ … but I believe *these* events can survive without 1 Sponsors help.
Getting „out in Front of the Narrative“ by „making the News“ may not be the best path forward
MTL_Dude666 on
This will blow up in our face just like the Huawei incident.
If there’s a time where we should STOP blindly following what the US does (Huawei, Chinese EVs tariffs, etc.) in order to appease them, the time is NOW!
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We shouldn’t follow the US in everything, but Chinese based tech companies and the implications they have on our national security and social cohesion is something we should definitely be concerned about.
There’s a separate argument to be made about the incestuous relationships between US based tech companies and the yanks, but Chinese firms are directly subservient to the CCP state apparatus. Anyone who doesn’t believe it’s a larger difference and problem is either deliberately ignorant or their intentions should be questioned.
China is actively more authoritarian than the US on many key issues, and there needs to be a larger discussion on the problem of foreign actors using social media and tech in general to heavily influence and stoke social discord in Canada.
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This order literally never made any sense. Even for people who hold the view that giving China access to the algorithm and data of one of the most popular apps in Canada is a national security threat, this order didn’t actually address that risk. Instead all it did was remove Tiktok’s physical presence from Canada, while keeping the app available.
So, we essentially would put Tiktok beyond the reaches of Canadian law, and cost hundreds of jobs, for no discernable national security benefits. It was all the downsides of a crackdown with virtually none of the upsides. No wonder no other country pursued this route.
I think Joly should accept this opportunity to meet and try to work out an actually productive solution. Maybe extract concessions on local data storage, or insist that if US Tiktok is sold to an non-Chinese buyer, Canada also comes along. I also think there is a risk that the Federal Court rules this order is unreasonable; usually courts show the feds a lot of deference on national security issues, but this order is so nonsensical, it might actually not survive reasonableness review. That would reduce our leverage further, and is more reason to take this meeting.
This is *very* *very* shrewd phraseology that He uses in his letter.
> „There is no upside to this outdated and counterproductive government order, which was issued under a different government and in a different era, and which doesn’t reflect today’s reality,“ the letter says.
Here He assumes simply „Because Trump“ or „They are not, so Canada should not.“ Im sorry, but **IF** the US has been bought off, it is a *big* assumption to think Canada can be as well.
> Chew said no evidence has been presented to show that TikTok is a security threat to Canada and the government has not been interested in discussing solutions.
Here He is using the Secrecy around a national security review (done in part by CSIS) to pre-emptivly shape the narrative to a „Public See Nothing & We So Innocent“ POV. He has *No Idea* (like the rest of us) what CSIS found/advised
> On July 7, TikTok said it was pulling out as a sponsor of several Canadian arts institutions, including the Juno Awards and the Toronto International Film Festival.
Here is the obligatory „We *Give* to the Community“ … but I believe *these* events can survive without 1 Sponsors help.
Getting „out in Front of the Narrative“ by „making the News“ may not be the best path forward
This will blow up in our face just like the Huawei incident.
If there’s a time where we should STOP blindly following what the US does (Huawei, Chinese EVs tariffs, etc.) in order to appease them, the time is NOW!
We shouldn’t follow the US in everything, but Chinese based tech companies and the implications they have on our national security and social cohesion is something we should definitely be concerned about.
There’s a separate argument to be made about the incestuous relationships between US based tech companies and the yanks, but Chinese firms are directly subservient to the CCP state apparatus. Anyone who doesn’t believe it’s a larger difference and problem is either deliberately ignorant or their intentions should be questioned.
China is actively more authoritarian than the US on many key issues, and there needs to be a larger discussion on the problem of foreign actors using social media and tech in general to heavily influence and stoke social discord in Canada.