Schulsuspensionen und Ausschlüsse steigen in England auf fast eine Million
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c784ezdmnp4o
Von YOU_CANT_GILD_ME
Schulsuspensionen und Ausschlüsse steigen in England auf fast eine Million
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c784ezdmnp4o
Von YOU_CANT_GILD_ME
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This is a result of the failed ‚inclusion‘ policies pushed by local authorities which are just dumping high needs children into mainstream schools without the support they need.
Closing LA specialist settings and having limited numbers of SRPs whilst doing everything possible to prevent issuing EHCPs was going to lead to this.
Children with SEND are being failed but, children’s who would have achieved more in school are being failed due to multiple daily evacuations of their classrooms and constant disruption to learning.
The education system is broken and needs massive overhaul.
It’s not even that it would cost a huge amount more money – the amount paid to private specialist schools and the transport to them is huge.
The impact of the Covid lockdowns are undeniably having their part to play in this.
There’s a focus on SEND, which is true, but pupils without special needs are causing havoc because there’s no consequences for their behaviour. When parents are told about the disruptive behaviour of their child, they don’t discipline them or even show much of a reaction. The children know nothing comes of their bad behaviour and they essentially hold power over the teachers. I dread to think what will happen when these children become adults. The future of society is honestly scary. Children in the nursery and infants should not be telling teachers to f-off.
When I was in school, disruptive kids were only suspended for getting violent. Even that meant serious and unprovoked violence against teachers or girls. For example, smacking a teacher while fighting another boy was treated like a normal part of the job for teachers. They’d have to do something like walk up to a senior female teacher and punch her out of nowhere to get any consequences.
It meant that school was about nothing but disruption. It was very rare for more than a couple of minutes to go by in class where the teacher wasn’t dealing with bad behaviour.
The point is, I’m not happy that kids are being excluded and that they’re getting out of school with no tools to help them develop stable careers. But it worries me that campaigners are still working against exclusion. Not excluding trouble-makers hurts everyone else.
The perfect solution would be to have sufficient special education resources and staff to get disruptive kids personalised help. There used to be a lot more help when Labour was last in charge. Voters chose 14 years of austerity and decline though and now the priority for schools is to stop buildings from caving in on kids and to feed kids whose parents can’t afford food.
The campaigners need to be told to sit down and shut it. They’re not helping. Better that trouble-makers are excluded than that they make it impossible for everyone else to learn. There’s a long list of more immediate priorities for schools.
Having a public online database helping parents parent would not be a bad thing.
How about make the private schools less tax, but they have to take more SEND children?
Do you think they would be happy with that?
In 2019, the National Crime Agency found that 100% of children involved in County Lines had been excluded from school, and that school exclusion is a contributing factor to child criminal exploitation.
In 2017, the Institute of Public Policy, estimated out of 85,975 people in prison in the UK, 54,164 had been excluded from school.
School exclusions are a clear warning that the kid is on a pathway to prison. It costs taxpayers £54,000 to keep one person in prison for one year. Intervention into the lives of kids on this pathway will cost taxpayers less and improve quality of lives for all of us via reduced crime.
I had a parent flat out say in an email that I was lying about her son blocking the door and throwing a chair across the room of his cover lesson (which I was called to assist) „Because he says he didn’t, and I have messages from his friends saying he didn’t“. When I responded, explaining that I had seen it with my own two eyes, as had the other ADULT in the room…she marched to school and made a complaint.
The wrong people are having kids.
Honestly, I think social media and the internet are doing real damage to young people. It’s not just about attention span. It affects their mindset, their behavior, and how they deal with others.
Teachers have their hands tied. They’re overstretched and have no real authority anymore. Give a kid detention and they just tell the teacher to get lost and walk out. What can anyone do? Maybe a suspension, but that rarely fixes anything. Call the parents and you’ll often get told their kid would never do that, or it turns into the school’s fault for not doing more to help little Timmy before he set the toilets on fire.
Some of it comes down to parenting. I get that financial stress makes things harder, but teaching your kid right from wrong doesn’t need to cost anything. Still, too many parents just stick a screen in front of their kids and leave it at that. Constant dopamine, no boundaries.
It really feels like the whole system is falling apart. I don’t know if kids even see it happening, and if they do, I imagine it just adds to the sense that nothing really matters.
I watched a program on a school nearby me that was on BBC and the headmaster was bragging that he had excluded 300 students since he started. I just don’t think it achieves anything and with the mentality of people like that, it will just make people’s lives worse. Why brag about excluding like the number is something commendable?
I get that they have to punish students for bad behaviour but most of the time they just send them home and they go chill out on an Xbox or watch tv. It teaches them nothing!
We have to be honest—school rules nowadays are beyond ridiculous compared to when I went to school in the early 2000s. It genuinely feels like a prison. Children are forced to follow an uncomfortably strict uniform policy. We never had that—it was just trousers, a polo shirt, and a jumper, and you could take your jumper off whenever you wanted.
Back then, if you didn’t have a pen, no problem—a teacher would give you one. Now? You get a detention, which can even lead to suspension. We could go to the toilet during lessons without hassle, and we were even allowed to leave school grounds at lunch to go to the chippy or have a cheeky cigarette at the park—which, like it or not, was all part of growing up.
Now, their entire day is micromanaged. They’re given so little independence, and I think a lot of the bad behaviour comes from them trying to rebel against such a draconian system that treats them like idiots who can’t think for themselves.
If the school system loosened the leash a bit and focused more on helping kids become capable, independent adults—instead of just making them pass exams—I honestly believe behaviour wouldn’t be this bad. It used to take a lot to get excluded when I was a kid. Our behaviour wasn’t perfect, but it was better than what teachers describe now. I truly believe it’s the overly strict and rigid school environment that makes things worse. These are teenagers—let them be teenagers.
This is good news no?
Focus on the education of the 95% that behave.
It will take a generation of harm to the ones that are so bad they get expelled before they tell their kids how much fun it is being illiterate at 40.
Take the money we waste pandering to the bad kids and increase police and jail funding.
Feels far more right leaning than I normally am but the school system is for educating not rehabilitation
I think maybe 2 kids got suspended in total at my high school in 7 years. Late 80s. No discipline anymore. And I don’t mean caning etc, just teachers who you didn’t mess with and respected.
The independent SEND school sector (where these kids often end up) is a scandal in the making. They charge exorbitant fees (>£50k easily) and often do very little that a mainstream school wouldn’t do. They will also exclude kids from their supposedly specialist provision at the drop of a hat.
They want the moderately tricky kids so they can pocket fat fees for minimal work.
Standards of parenting have gone through the floor. Giving phones and tablets to pacify. No routine, expectation, communication or relationship building whatsoever.
– no member of staff should go to school being expected to be physically harmed. Hurting a member of staff (intentionally) should be a suspension and if repeated exclusion should follow. If your child is suspended or excluded, parents should receive sanction. Where there is potentially criminal liability, parents should hold equal accountability. Where it is not and pupils/parents have been offered intervention and this has not been taken up or followed- fines or benefit withdrawal.
– we need to build a tonne of vocational/technical skills colleges, addressing skill shortages in the labour market and getting the scrotes out of school which should focus on academia. Learn skills become tradies from Year 9.
– this will anger a load of adults who’ve ’found themselves’ with their adhd diagnoses but sorry- no more DLA for adhd. Reasonable adjustments in school and no more.
– 2 strike system- if you are excluded from one school, you get one more go at another school. If a subsequent exclusion follows you are done.
A guy from my town went to a boarding school. He wasn’t a bad kid persay but the class clown and as we would say, a blagard. Intellectual but not really interested in school. He did something to get suspended. They rang his mother to come collect him. She told them. I pay you to take care of him. So she said, send him to work with the custodians. He worked cleaning up leaves, moving the lawn
He’s a good lad now with a business of his own
But this works 2 ways, they get to do something with their hands, and all his peers got to see him working cleaning up the school. He got to chat with the chat with real people, something he was good at.
My story is just that a true story but just one kid who as I said, was never that bad but was disruptive. Giving the kids an out and letting them away from the school in their mind rewards them. It’s definitely not working, we need something that in a way punishes them, but actually shows them there is other stuff outside school out there
Much as I don’t like it when exclusions happen, they are a necessary end point that schools must have for serious behavioural issues or recalcitrant disruptors.
Secondaries do seem to be getting to grips with behaviour (although it does at times lead to some bizarre rules) but primaries are, by and large, still stuck in a regime where continual disruptive behaviour is tolerated excessively. Perhaps these figures indicate that some primary heads are trying to change that culture.
Inclusion policies in primary schools benefit no-one given the state of resources. The disruptive pupils themselves are not being given a clear framework within which their behaviour can be managed and improved and other pupils are just collateral damage.
I recently went into a local school to do a talk with a colleague about the work we do. There was a boy who was allowed to walk around the classroom during the talk, occasionally shouting out and touching and attempting to distract other pupils. I was told that this child would be in the class and that they may get up at times as they had ADHD and struggled to focus, however what I witnessed was the absolute capitulation to poor behaviour that disrupted the whole class. It is clear that this behaviour has become normalised in the school and staff had clearly lost the ability to see that this was completely unacceptable, presumably because any attempts to control the behaviour would result in a more disruptive or violent outburst and they did not have the resources and backing to deal with it effectively.
We have this weird system nowadays that pretends everyone has the brains go to university if they were taught well enough, and worked hard enough.
Therefore I spent futile months trying to teach probability theory to teenagers who were never going to pass GCSE maths. I knew it, they knew it, and they didn’t want to be there. They were miserable, and of course they mucked around every lesson because it was a waste of their time.
They would have been so much happier in the old days if they could have left school at 14 and got a job in a factory, mastering a skill and having their own money.
But the elites decided to send the factory jobs to Asia and then gaslight our own kids by telling them all to aim for graduate jobs. Which don’t exist either.
I’ve worked across 5 schools in very different locations, and each school has also been very different.
Here is my take: yes, parents can be rubbish, but they are the minority. What tends to happen is schools that are weak on behaviour fuel those parents to ‚take control‘ and things just spiral. In schools that took this weaker line, Covid was used as an excuse for all poor behaviour. As a result, poor behaviour has spiralled, and putting the genie back in the bottle is bloody hard. This leads to schools having to permanently exclude students just to get some control back.
But here is the thing- there will be 100s of schools across the country where it is as if Covid never happened. Why because they had a strong ethos and took a strong approach to behaviour.
Teaching a student who just refuses point-blank to follow any rules is really, really hard. Every school has a few students like this. You can’t teach someone who won’t shut up, won’t stay in their seat, won’t stay in one room when they are told to. So, what do you do?
1) If you try and just ignore them, everyone else sees that their behaviour has no consequences. Poor behaviour spreads to everyone else, and the whole school goes to shit.
2) Trying to enforce more severe consequences doesn’t work, because they ignore them. If you issue detentions they don’t show up. If you try to involve the parents, the parents will either ignore you or make a complaint.
3) You can’t easily put in any alternative in-school provision for them because it’s costly and the school is short on money and space. But if you do, they will probably dick around there anyway and still cause problems.
I’m all out of ideas. What’s the answer here?
Kids exist to push boundaries.
It’s pushing into and finding out that they area that forms kids into functioning adults.
Unfortunately for a lot of kids these days they don’t run *into* any boundaries, so the behaviour gets worse and worse.
That’s got nothing to do with them being SEND, and everything to do with our failures as a society.
Schools really aren’t equipped to support high-needs students properly, and it’s tough on everyone.
A lot of mainstream classrooms are overwhelmed without enough resources, and it’s affecting both students with additional needs and the rest of the class.
Honestly, the system feels broken kids are being moved around, teachers are stretched thin, and the disruptions are nonstop.