If someone robbed me of £50, I wouldn’t be up for negotiating how much I get back.
Dry_Interest7624 on
The BMA can’t reasonable expect this sort of pay rise in the current NHS model.
If this is what their members truly want they need to start campaigning for a shift to a European insurance style healthcare service. That’s the only way these sort of doctors salaries will be sustainable.
Gusatron on
Would have been cheaper if Wes didn’t renege on his part of the deal within months.
Now the doctors have no confidence the government are acting in good faith and want it all immediately instead of over years. GG Wes.
Particular-Delay-319 on
Doctors pay has been consistently and aggressively cut over 15 years because
1. they were previously well remunerated for what is a bloody hard job
2. they have a sense of professionalism so will only strike when things are dreadful.
Now the pay has been cut to the bone, they have had enough. Couple this with working for a useless employer (NHS) where it’s impossible to do a good job, £100,000 plus student loan, professional costs of £4k a year and better pay elsewhere….
This will continue until there is a decent pay settlement
honesto_pinion on
Shocking how they’ve decided to strike for more money after their last strike got them, let’s see, ah yes, more money…
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ZoltanGertrude on
Their claim is based on RPI statistics which are not used for inflation models. CPI is the standard and if compared, would show that the RPI based claim is over 100% exaggerated.
I thought those in the medical profession were supposed to have an above average intelligence?
Potential_Cover1206 on
Is this the turd who boasted of charging the NHS £1,870 to cover a single shift ?
CartoonistConsistent on
I’m always pro people, whatever the profession, getting more money. However, doctors UK are pretty similarly paid compared to their compatriots in Europe (apart from Netherlands which is a fair bit higher) and we have lower tax rates. This is a response to price rises and understandably they are pushing for as much as they but realistically 5-10% is fair and keeps them on good money.
To note, my comparison is your „average“ doctor on 10 years service in Europe. I didn’t look at specialists, trainees or other things.
No-Potential-7242 on
They have lost my support. This is selfish and unreasonable.
Should their pay be increased to pre-2008 levels? Yes. NHS workers have faced huge pay cuts since the global financial crisis. It’s shameful they’re paid so little and I don’t do anything remotely connected to the NHS.
But resident/junior doctors have JUST had major help. Far more than other workers in the NHS who are also deserving. The NHS is in serious crisis and Labour has only just finished its first year. This is not the time to make demands.
What new strikes will do is bring yet more chaos and hardship and convince even more thickos to vote Reform. I would support this in two or three years, but it is totally out of line and selfish to do it now.
Curryflurryhurry on
29% pay rise when there is a 29% increase in health service productivity
Your move, doctors’ trade union.
Ok-Philosophy4182 on
Never mind the tories – at this rate the junior doctors are going to be the ones privatising the NHS.
ottoandinga88 on
They obviously are not going to enter the negotiations stating WE PLAN TO FOLD AND ACCEPT A LOWER NUMBER
Weird-Statistician on
I suspect that if they got the 29% they would be back out next year based on pensions or conditions or maybe even just more pay. Could see this coming a mile off last year.
StandardVariety69 on
ITT: whole bunch of people that don’t realise what doctors are actually worth.
ConsciouslyIncomplet on
I support Doctors (and all public sector) in getting their pay increased – but comments like the above from the BMA is not going to help the cause. We all recognise that the pay has been eroded, but unlike many other professions, Do tors have already received a large pay increase and have the potential to increase their pay through specialism. That it far more than many others have received.
Comments such as the above are going to swiftly turn public support.
West-Ad-1532 on
All pay/salaries in all industries have been static throughout the 2000s…
Pay growth has been practically non-existent..
Complex-Practice on
I’m broadly in favour of Resident Doctor’s having a higher base pay. A 29% request is nonsense. Just like the 35% one from a couple of years ago was.
Only_Tip9560 on
We have had decades of persistently undervaluing professionals in this country and healthcare professionals are probably the most egregious example of this.
Why spend the time training to be a doctor, accountant or engineer if you are going to barely make more than a plumber or train driver?
Wage compression is real and is the reason why unionised professionals like doctors are making a stand.
The reality is that the government either moves towards meeting the BMAs position or we will have continual industrial action. I don’t think that the BMA really care about where public opinion is on this.
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If someone robbed me of £50, I wouldn’t be up for negotiating how much I get back.
The BMA can’t reasonable expect this sort of pay rise in the current NHS model.
If this is what their members truly want they need to start campaigning for a shift to a European insurance style healthcare service. That’s the only way these sort of doctors salaries will be sustainable.
Would have been cheaper if Wes didn’t renege on his part of the deal within months.
Now the doctors have no confidence the government are acting in good faith and want it all immediately instead of over years. GG Wes.
Doctors pay has been consistently and aggressively cut over 15 years because
1. they were previously well remunerated for what is a bloody hard job
2. they have a sense of professionalism so will only strike when things are dreadful.
Now the pay has been cut to the bone, they have had enough. Couple this with working for a useless employer (NHS) where it’s impossible to do a good job, £100,000 plus student loan, professional costs of £4k a year and better pay elsewhere….
This will continue until there is a decent pay settlement
Shocking how they’ve decided to strike for more money after their last strike got them, let’s see, ah yes, more money…
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Their claim is based on RPI statistics which are not used for inflation models. CPI is the standard and if compared, would show that the RPI based claim is over 100% exaggerated.
I thought those in the medical profession were supposed to have an above average intelligence?
Is this the turd who boasted of charging the NHS £1,870 to cover a single shift ?
I’m always pro people, whatever the profession, getting more money. However, doctors UK are pretty similarly paid compared to their compatriots in Europe (apart from Netherlands which is a fair bit higher) and we have lower tax rates. This is a response to price rises and understandably they are pushing for as much as they but realistically 5-10% is fair and keeps them on good money.
To note, my comparison is your „average“ doctor on 10 years service in Europe. I didn’t look at specialists, trainees or other things.
They have lost my support. This is selfish and unreasonable.
Should their pay be increased to pre-2008 levels? Yes. NHS workers have faced huge pay cuts since the global financial crisis. It’s shameful they’re paid so little and I don’t do anything remotely connected to the NHS.
But resident/junior doctors have JUST had major help. Far more than other workers in the NHS who are also deserving. The NHS is in serious crisis and Labour has only just finished its first year. This is not the time to make demands.
What new strikes will do is bring yet more chaos and hardship and convince even more thickos to vote Reform. I would support this in two or three years, but it is totally out of line and selfish to do it now.
29% pay rise when there is a 29% increase in health service productivity
Your move, doctors’ trade union.
Never mind the tories – at this rate the junior doctors are going to be the ones privatising the NHS.
They obviously are not going to enter the negotiations stating WE PLAN TO FOLD AND ACCEPT A LOWER NUMBER
I suspect that if they got the 29% they would be back out next year based on pensions or conditions or maybe even just more pay. Could see this coming a mile off last year.
ITT: whole bunch of people that don’t realise what doctors are actually worth.
I support Doctors (and all public sector) in getting their pay increased – but comments like the above from the BMA is not going to help the cause. We all recognise that the pay has been eroded, but unlike many other professions, Do tors have already received a large pay increase and have the potential to increase their pay through specialism. That it far more than many others have received.
Comments such as the above are going to swiftly turn public support.
All pay/salaries in all industries have been static throughout the 2000s…
Pay growth has been practically non-existent..
I’m broadly in favour of Resident Doctor’s having a higher base pay. A 29% request is nonsense. Just like the 35% one from a couple of years ago was.
We have had decades of persistently undervaluing professionals in this country and healthcare professionals are probably the most egregious example of this.
Why spend the time training to be a doctor, accountant or engineer if you are going to barely make more than a plumber or train driver?
Wage compression is real and is the reason why unionised professionals like doctors are making a stand.
The reality is that the government either moves towards meeting the BMAs position or we will have continual industrial action. I don’t think that the BMA really care about where public opinion is on this.