Der 16 -jährige Junge, auf gestohlenem Fahrrad starb und versuchte, vom Opfer des Einbruchs wegzukommen und ihn zu jagen
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/boy-16-stolen-bike-died-31963725?int_source=breaking-news
Von AnOtherGuy1234567
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Notice how they are trying to distance him from the crime
I remember the absolute chaos in Stockport when this kid’s funeral was ongoing. You would think the biggest saint in the world has died.
Same thing with the recent Salford issues. Low life criminals die and are then treated like absolute angels. It’s insanity
> He still owed a duty to all the other road users around him, including those men on his bike.
And if that isn’t a fundamental flaw in our justice system then I don’t know what is.
Literally „owed a duty of care“ to those comitting a criminal act against him. This isn’t over the top self defence, it’s not him assauting them or hurting them, or torturing them.
No, it’s the legal system telling victims that they *owe* a *duty of care* to those who wrong them. That they mustn’t act in a way which may cause them harm. That despite the crash being entirely of their own doing, entirely of their own choice, entirely through their own actions that he is responsible.
Joke of a system. He’ll get done, there’s plenty of precedent here. He’s toast unless he’s jury nullified.
Oh no, what a shame. How sad.
Anyway, what’s everyone having for dinner tonight ?
[https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-16-killed-crash-role-29062037](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-16-killed-crash-role-29062037)
„A teenage boy who died in a motorbike crash this week had earlier been convicted for his role in a plot to steal a takeaway shop owner’s car that resulted in the man’s death.“
To be honest my sympathy is somewhat limited.
>A teenager died after riding on a stolen motorbike which crashed as its driver tried in ‘desperation’ to get away from the victim of a burglary who was pursuing them, a jury has heard.
It takes the article multiple paragraphs to establish that the deceased was one of the burglars who stole the bike, which is pertinent information from a common sense standpoint.
16 y, burglar, riding a stolen motorbike, putting other lives in risk. Why is so difficult to point the obvious nowadays?
Burglar died being chased by the victim whose house he broke in to.
Good
If this was in parts of the US. They’d be charging the other two burglars for manslaughter. As the death occurred during the commissioning of a crime, so the survivors of the crime get the punishment. If you lead the police on a high speed chase and the police hit and kill a pedestrian, guess who goes to prison for decades?
They’re trying to make the burglary victim responsible for this death for driving 16 miles over the speed limit (which to be absolutely clear is wrong and shouldn’t be hand waived away, but to say *this* is what led to the thief’s death is beyond absurd) yet when a cretin with no insurance mounted the pavement & ran me over going 40 mph over the limit they didn’t even take points off his license and instead gave him a one day safe driving course claiming they can only give him one or the other, not both. What a joke.
I don’t want to say good but… okay?
He was a criminal who could have killed someone else when he chose to break the law and endanger others.
He wouldn’t have had more than a slap on the wrist until he hurt or killed someone, and even then he wouldn’t have gotten more than a telling off and a chance to recharge his batteries to do it again.
The UK is terrible for prosecuting dangerous drivers and thieves. It’s only when it happens to rich people or someone gets killed anything is done but even those who kill on the road get away with only a few years.
Absolutely no loss whatsoever. I hope the victim doesn’t get convicted, reminds me of that 24 hours in police custody episode.
Well I’m sure the parents are well adjusted enough to recognise this is almost exclusively their fault.
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Because if the guy hadn’t been chasing them, those three absolutely would have ridden those bikes according to the rules of the road…
Ugh,
Stolen mopeds and 125s are rife in Stockport and tameside at the moment.
They are going round in 3s.
The other day me and my husband were in the car and 3 lads were on 2 (stolen) bikes and one was holding a petrol can…..
Police are not doing much
If ever you needed further proof that the judicial system is heavily stacked against the average person.
If you play with feathers expect to get your arse tickled.
Or another good one I heard recently:
The dildo of consequence seldom comes lubed.
I really hope the victim gets off and tge burglar gets done for dangerous driving. Ridiculous he’s been charged for trying to prevent a crime.
I suppose I should be sympathetic, but as the victim of three stolen bikes (two motor, one push), it’s difficult. Next time I have a bike stolen (practically inevitable), with the full knowledge that the police will do fuck all about it, I might take a leaf out of this guy’s book and go on the chase.
So he was killed after stealing someone else’s property. No sympathy what so ever. Hope the guy got his bikes back.
Why do so many aspiring footballers with cheeky smiles end up dying like this
Strange phenomenon
And you just know that if the motorbike owner let them escape, he would have never seen them again, as the police simply doesn’t exist in this country
A lot of sympathy for burglary victim here but some questions to consider:
What was he hoping to do if he caught them? Was he hoping they would give up and leave?
How far would he have followed them?
What if he had hit and killed someone unrelated to the burglary? Or his driving impacted someone else like that? Would he still be treated sympathetically?
These are what ifs, which didn’t happen. But giving chase like this, is never a good idea.
Mr Barnes said of Mr Duncan: “It is no defence, we will say to you, for Callum Duncan to plead that he was entitled to drive however he liked in an effort to recover his stolen property. He still owed a duty to all the other road users around him, including those men on his bike.
“The standard of driving to which he must be held to account does not change because of the circumstances he was in.”
„A 16-year-old feral human died after committing a crime. Victim is ok 👍 “ FTFY
Yeah, you should just let anyone rob you. The police will help…..but they don’t. That’s the problem. Communities are largely self governing. If I was on a jury in this case, I’d not find the GTi drivers actions unreasonable or disproportionate. So I’d find him not guilty. The lad on the stolen bike though, that’s a different matter. If he was reasonable he would have pulled over and abandoned the bike. Send him down.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I find it very difficult to have sympathy for this thug.
Disgusting they arrested the bloke trying to get his hard earned property back!
Heart warming to read about the dead scrote though! I wouldn’t have called the thieving little scumbag an ambulance either!
From my impression of the British legal system, the person chasing will now be persecuted for causing ‚innocent death‘
Oh that’s a shame. Hope the lad gets his bike back.
Wasn’t this case featured on 24 Hrs in police custody? Or is this a different one?
unfortunate, but I feel life’s trajectory would have been much different had they not been an accomplice to stealing someone else’s property.
the pressure was caused by the fact they stole the bike, no doubt. as others have said, do him for dangerous driving if/when you can if you have him dead to rights.
but he did not cause that boy’s death. that boy’s actions caused his own death.
how many people do you know have had bikes/cars stolen and the police simply do not care? been mugged, burgled, etc? nobody i know has any semblance of reliance on the police to do what needs done, they’re too thinly stretched and kept protecting higher society at our expense.
had he just rolled over, the police *maybe* would have given him a crime reference number within the week, he’d have to claim on insurance, his premiums would be fucked and his bike gone without a trace. he got his bike back.
now, my issue is how he reacted to the incident where the boy came off the bike. it seems he simply picked the bike up and went home, probably got a bollocking from someone who heard the full story which prompted him to phone the police before they came knocking. if he’d have stuck around and waited for the police, because they *definitely* would have been on their way at that point, we probably wouldn’t even be having this conversation. he could have spoken to a person and explained the situation and then the policing can begin.
i get it, but what a messy fucking situation
Tragic all around. Kids do stupid shit, kid gets a disproportionate consequence to his stupid action and few empathise.
Edit: Nevermind, this kid killed someone prior to this with a similar crime. No longer seems disproportionate
[RIP Bozo](https://youtube.com/shorts/2WQNPw46cyA?si=AsuQ22FZa2U0dt7h)
Was this the one they had a 24 Hours in Police Custody on? Grim case
Another promising musician/footballer/youtuber down….
Thief dies while theiving. My heart does not bleed.
The victim shouldn’t be on trial, he should be labelled as a hero for trying to defend his property
Amazes me how cause and effect seems to have evaporated over the years.
The kid didn’t just wake up on a stolen motorbike getting chased by a dude frothing at the mouth.
He was the architect of his own demise…
>“In his desperation to get away from the crime he had just committed, he rode that already dangerous bike at a speed which was completely excessive for the road conditions, paying no heed to other traffic, failing to give way at the junction and barrelling through blindly in the vain hope that he would make it to the other side.”
I’m sorry, but I have little sympathy in this case. According to the article, the teenager made a deliberate choice to go out in the early hours with the intent to steal a bike. In the process of fleeing the scene, they recklessly collided with another vehicle.
At that age, you’re old enough to understand it’s wrong and dangerous. Anyone who says „Aw, but they’re teenagers and dont under-„, I don’t care, shut up.