How good is the US intelligence in Russia after 4 years of Trump?
atchijov on
Problem is, for many years now, Putin does not have to order anything… for “inconvenient” people to end up dead. His henchman know they master very well.
Traditional_Bad_4589 on
Is there really a meaningful difference between ordering the direct murder and having him imprisoned in a remote Siberian prison camp with questionable (at best) disciplinary and medical practices and him dying of “natural causes?” Putin is still the reason he is dead. And everything they say on the matter is suspect. He lost the benefit of the doubt long, long ago.
SupremeMisterMeme on
Doesn’t matter, Navanly ended up in a penal colony because of putins orders, so he’s directly responsible for his death.
Embarrassed-Ad3074 on
Innocent!
bitch_fitching on
He was poisoned by the FSB and placed in a penal colony. Putin didn’t order his death that specific day.
Spirited_Childhood34 on
He was probably in bad shape before the transfer and they knew Siberia would finish him off. Condolences to his friends, family and supporters.
Funny_Friendship_929 on
This is like saying “Al Capone didn’t **directly** order those mob hits”
shiplauncherscousin on
“Who can rid me of this troublesome……..”
Said Putain one day
pokemurrs on
So let me get this straight…
To publish this article, Reuters quoted the Wall Street Journal , who quoted an unnamed source “familiar with the matter”, who said that others in his/her circle think that Putin “probably didn’t order it”… and that there was no way to determine the veracity of the original story.
What the fuck is this? Newsception?
galloway188 on
Sending him to prison was already a death sentence
Many_Sorbet_5536 on
Is WSJ still considered a reputable source? It feels like Kremlin got an approach to them somehow that let Kremlin spread their narratives through them. And it’s an anonymous source again.
WeirdcoolWilson on
He didn’t have to “order” it. Navalny was in the worst prison conditions in existence. Like throwing raw meat into a bear cage – “I didn’t order the bear to eat”
Lord_Sports on
YEAH RIGHT..Russia propaganda being spread to a agent in WSJ to spread lies.Believe nothing that comes from Russia..Russia is 110% aligned with China North Korea IRAN and they want to destroy the world…It’s on russian state TV all day. Don’t believe it for a second….Navalny was Putins biggest opposition.
CommunicationFun7973 on
Probalyl not, he wanted to punish him and demonstrate the power of Putin, but It’s suspected that long term poor living conditions and torture reduces ones life span dramatically.
ask3841 on
K ” ,
07Aptos on
I don’t think anyone would argue that Putin didn’t at least indirectly cause his death. But this misses the point, keeping Navalny in prison and alive seems a better choice than to kill him.
Putin needs to give the illusion that he is not a dictator to the Russian people. Russian politics in the last 20 years has been centered around being able to shift blame for the country’s problems away from Putin and onto subordinates and opposing political figures.
Pusfilledonut on
The WSJ is no longer a paper of record I put much stock in. It’s semantics to suggest that the prior poisoning episodes and ritual starvation in a gulag wasn’t murder. It also ignore the nesting doll contradictions of life in Russia…a lie wrapped in a lie placed in an enigma surrounded with a mystery. Believe nothing, expect worse than you might imagine.
1whoknocked on
Ya sure.
nothingcouldbefiner on
The Wall Street Journal is owned by Murdoch of Fox News fame. It is not a credible source.
OdonataDarner on
An indication of a deal?
He_Who_Browses_RDT on
Sure… That’s why Navalny was in Siberian prison, having a very healthy and prosperous life, fed with the best food and drink available to russian’s elite… /S
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How good is the US intelligence in Russia after 4 years of Trump?
Problem is, for many years now, Putin does not have to order anything… for “inconvenient” people to end up dead. His henchman know they master very well.
Is there really a meaningful difference between ordering the direct murder and having him imprisoned in a remote Siberian prison camp with questionable (at best) disciplinary and medical practices and him dying of “natural causes?” Putin is still the reason he is dead. And everything they say on the matter is suspect. He lost the benefit of the doubt long, long ago.
Doesn’t matter, Navanly ended up in a penal colony because of putins orders, so he’s directly responsible for his death.
Innocent!
He was poisoned by the FSB and placed in a penal colony. Putin didn’t order his death that specific day.
He was probably in bad shape before the transfer and they knew Siberia would finish him off. Condolences to his friends, family and supporters.
This is like saying “Al Capone didn’t **directly** order those mob hits”
“Who can rid me of this troublesome……..”
Said Putain one day
So let me get this straight…
To publish this article, Reuters quoted the Wall Street Journal , who quoted an unnamed source “familiar with the matter”, who said that others in his/her circle think that Putin “probably didn’t order it”… and that there was no way to determine the veracity of the original story.
What the fuck is this? Newsception?
Sending him to prison was already a death sentence
Is WSJ still considered a reputable source? It feels like Kremlin got an approach to them somehow that let Kremlin spread their narratives through them. And it’s an anonymous source again.
He didn’t have to “order” it. Navalny was in the worst prison conditions in existence. Like throwing raw meat into a bear cage – “I didn’t order the bear to eat”
YEAH RIGHT..Russia propaganda being spread to a agent in WSJ to spread lies.Believe nothing that comes from Russia..Russia is 110% aligned with China North Korea IRAN and they want to destroy the world…It’s on russian state TV all day. Don’t believe it for a second….Navalny was Putins biggest opposition.
Probalyl not, he wanted to punish him and demonstrate the power of Putin, but It’s suspected that long term poor living conditions and torture reduces ones life span dramatically.
K ” ,
I don’t think anyone would argue that Putin didn’t at least indirectly cause his death. But this misses the point, keeping Navalny in prison and alive seems a better choice than to kill him.
Putin needs to give the illusion that he is not a dictator to the Russian people. Russian politics in the last 20 years has been centered around being able to shift blame for the country’s problems away from Putin and onto subordinates and opposing political figures.
The WSJ is no longer a paper of record I put much stock in. It’s semantics to suggest that the prior poisoning episodes and ritual starvation in a gulag wasn’t murder. It also ignore the nesting doll contradictions of life in Russia…a lie wrapped in a lie placed in an enigma surrounded with a mystery. Believe nothing, expect worse than you might imagine.
Ya sure.
The Wall Street Journal is owned by Murdoch of Fox News fame. It is not a credible source.
An indication of a deal?
Sure… That’s why Navalny was in Siberian prison, having a very healthy and prosperous life, fed with the best food and drink available to russian’s elite… /S