Kulturfrage. Was sind einige Gerichte, die von der türkisch-osspinziellen Küche zur armenischen Küche übergeht oder umgekehrt?
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Kulturfrage. Was sind einige Gerichte, die von der türkisch-osspinziellen Küche zur armenischen Küche übergeht oder umgekehrt?
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Lahmajoon for sure
Dangerous question
Ottoman empire was very multicultural, just because it was ruled by Turks doesn’t mean they’re Turkish, but rather Ottoman. Since we can’t pinpoint which ethnic group’s culture shared it with the others. The question itself is incorrect.
Did you want to ask Turkish cuisine? or Ottoman? very different things.
It’s not so appropriate to frame it like that…
Because what someone would call the Ottoman cuisine wasn’t exclusively Turkish in roots – it integrated dishes from over the empire (and beyond), and from non-Turkish communities in Istanbul and Anatolia.
By the late-Ottoman period there was a significant culinary overlap between ethnic-religious groups, and cuisines varied by region and class often as much if not more as they did by ethnicity/culture.
The Ottoman cuisine that spread top down from Istanbul to largest cities and by then to regional centers and small towns was heavily syncretic, merging pre-Turkic Anatolian cuisines (Greek, Armenian, Assyrian…), Syro-Levantine, Iranic and Turkic (and Mongol) roots and influences.
Same goes with architecture or costumes; on those aspects Ottoman culture was the product of intense syncretism, mergers and fusions, before it stabilized to get its own character.
Religious holidays dishes and the culinary habits of isolated rural groups where were differences (and culinary conservatisms) were the clearest and most numerous.
Modern Armenian cuisine is equally the result of its own regional and national character and of the legacy of pan-Ottoman urban culinary traditions.
A better way to approach this would be to ask whether 11th-13th century Turkmen tribes influenced Armenian cuisine or how strong is the legacy of pre-Turkish Anatolian groups in the cuisine of Anatolian Turks, in both cases there is a discernible amount of influences, continuities and borrowings.
There are loads of shared foods, lahmacun, dolma, kebab, baklava and kofta
imam bayildi
So we’re having a fight?
No one owns cuisine. We have our own culinary traditions as does every other culture. This bullshit about who did what is so dumb. Who owns the noodle? Chinese? Italians? Who cares?
The real question is: What are the oldest recipes written down in manuscripts/books by Armenians and other ethnic groups in the Ottoman Empire as some starting point for comparisons etc
Anything middle Asian looking probably from them
I’m sorry but I think almost all Armenian cuisine
I get irked when people say „Turkish coffee“ when what they want is actually Hykakan Kofé
Food is the best example of connecting and dividing cultures and people.
This is how WWIII begins.
Yes, we taught the Invaders and colonizers how to make Tolma.
Armenia has always been a grape growing region, oldest winery in the world found in Armenia. And Tolma involves grape leaves.
I doubt they were growing much grapes in the Altai mountains.