Haftungsausschluss: Ich bin kein Finne, sondern weiß nur, was uns die Medien über Finnland berichtet haben.
Auch ein Hintergrund über mein Motiv, diesen Beitrag zu verfassen und die Finnen danach zu fragen. Ich habe ein Stipendienangebot von UEF Joensuu erhalten und denke aufgrund meiner Informationen aus den Medien sehr darüber nach, es anzunehmen.
Ich bin auf diesen Beitrag gestoßen (Schnappschuss beigefügt), in dem über die Arbeitslosigkeit in Finnland diskutiert wird und dass davon neben den etwa 45.000 arbeitslosen Einwanderern auch die Einheimischen betroffen sind. Die hauptsächlich genannten Gründe (ich habe fast alle Kommentare durchgesehen) waren: – F’ed-Wirtschaft auf der ganzen Welt nach COVID – Ausländer, die kein Finnisch können – Rassismus von Arbeitgebern (habe das aber nicht verstanden, ist es Rassismus zwischen Schwarzen und Weißen oder etwas anderes)
Was ich andererseits aus den sozialen und internationalen Medien weiß, ist, dass Finnland eines der beliebtesten Länder ist Menschen freundlich Land mit einer Fülle von Möglichkeiten – Die Sprache stellt nicht einmal ein Hindernis dar. Viele Finnen sprechen fließend Englisch – Es mangelt ihnen an qualifizierten Arbeitskräften (von Reinigungsarbeiten, wie im ursprünglichen Beitrag erwähnt, nicht die Rede) und sie bitten die Leute, einzuziehen – Es ist die 3. oder 1. Etage (Ich erinnere mich nicht genau an den Rang) Pass unter allen Ländern der Welt – Bildung gilt als besser als die USA
Also, liebe Finnen und Ausländer, die in Finnland leben, was ist die eigentliche Geschichte hier? Ich frage, weil es mir helfen würde, mich zu entscheiden, ob ich mein Land verlassen und hierher kommen soll. Wie sind die langfristigen Aussichten: Ist die Sache mit dem Rassismus neu oder tief in der Kultur verwurzelt, die gerade erst entdeckt wurde? Sollte ich es nur für den Abschluss meines Masterstudiums in Betracht ziehen und meine Koffer wieder dorthin packen, wo ich hergekommen bin, oder besteht für Menschen wie mich irgendeine Hoffnung auf eine gute, beschäftigungsfähige Zukunft?
Falls jemand Interesse hat, gehöre ich zum IT/CS-Studien-/Arbeitsbereich.
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Von WayKey1965
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It was heaven after 90s depression to 2008 financial crisis, after that been downhill
Who describes it as heaven? And for whom?
> Education is considered better than USA
By whom? What level of education? What evidence is there to show that Aalto or Uni of Helsinki produce better specialists than MIT or Harvard?
Short version: nowhere is perfect. Some places are just better than others – where „better“ really depends on what you value. Do you want to run a company? Do you want to start a family? Do you want to get a suntan? Do you want cheap booze and high-quality food? Do you want great public healthcare? Do you want cheap internet? Finland is better for some of these, not so great for others.
Let’s take a few of your points:
>F’ed economy around the world after COVID
Tell me one place that hasn’t – especially a place economically close to Finland in size.
>Foreigners not knowing Finnish
Depends on the industry and the geographical location. There are a few tech hubs where all it matters is that you’re good at working in tech. Then nobody cares. Healthcare? Teaching? You probably want to know the local language.
>Racism of employers (didn’t understand this though is it black v white racism or smth else)
It’s not skin colour. Mostly it’s cultural racism of close neighbours (think Russians, even before the Ukraine thing). It’s minority groups such as the Romani gypsies. And yes, it can be certain immigrant groups, particularly Somalis, who came here in several waves over the years.
>Finland is one of the most *people friendly* country with plethora of opportunities
>Language isn’t even a barrier many Finns are fluent English speakers
>They are short on skilled labour (not talking about cleaning jobs as mentioned in original post) and are asking people to move in
These are all true, especially if you’re in Helsinki or one of the tech hubs. Otherwise, maybe not so much.
>Education is considered better than USA
Until recently, it was considered better than or at least as good as most other Western nations.
All in all, Finland is great for some things and utterly terrible for some others. If you believe anything otherwise (especially this unqualified „happiest country“ nonsense peddled by the tabloid websites) then you’re a naïve fool. It’s just a place, with people. It’s as good or as bad as anywhere else, entirely depending on how you define „good“ and „bad“.
Finland is happiest country in the senior age range, and their votes weight a lot because elderly is the major age group here. Also non-happy people either move out or unalive themselves.
Finland isn’t heaven, it’s more like cold hell. Lovely cold hell. 
If you are middle class and employed full-time, Finland is pretty nice. Many institutions are crumbling, though. Health care and primary education in particular, and there is no end in sight. At present, there is an overall feeling of malaise and hopelessness in our country, especially since the ineptitude of the current government is becoming clearer every day.
On the other hand, if you do find full-time employment with a decent salary, you might enjoy Finland a lot. Especially in a university town outside Helsinki.
Finnish have natural high IQ, and excellent education system. Our wellbeing is built with these, works are designed to smart and productive people, all goes good.
When foreigners with not much to give, come here to enjoy all the benefits of Finland, they will disappoint because the level is too high for them to work, and the free living and paradise they have told, is a big fat lie.
If you’re black or brown, you will probably have a hard time convincing people of your actual skills and getting a decent pay. Most likely, you’ll end up joining the ranks of the unemployed toilet cleaner PhDs. If you’re white male (haven’t seen ANY women working in IT/CS here) then you’ll most likely get a fair treatment at the workplace I’d say, more or less regardless of nationality. The workplace is the most relevant aspect as you’ll be totally alone otherwise. Forget about friends and socialising with the locals outside of the workplace or organised events.
Anyway just apply and negotiate a good salary, if you manage to secure it, then you’ll be ok until they lay you off (first 6 months it can happen without notice, and there’s no compensatory salaries or such for it).
This is a nonsense question. Of course it is not. But it is also not portrayed as a heaven if you have slightest capability for critical thinking. If you extrapolate simplistic news pieces, you might come to the conclusion that Finland would be perfect but that would require criminal levels of jumping to conclusions.
As for that article it’s rather difficult for you to find a job without knowing Finnish. You can manage by yourself with English, but most companies want you to be able to have intercourse in Finnish to get employed.
Good God no. It will only get worse.
I am tempted to say the supposed „racism“ is nothing else than the inability of immigrants to integrate, so that they perceive normal Finnish behavior as „racism“. That’s not the whole story, but it’s a good introduction. Finns have an extremely steep gradient on how distant they are to strangers vs. friends. This has been validated in studies of e.g. physical touching frequency. If they don’t know you, you’ll get the minimum of already extremely sparse Finnish politeness. Mind you, they behave the same towards other Finns.
Does actual racism exist in Finland – absolutely. Try getting a job with a Roma name. But, Finns themselves are not former colonists or slaveowners. They’ve mostly been on the receiving end of that. As such, the sort of highly systematic racism you’d see in e.g. the southern U.S. has no tradition in Finland.
Immigration has also been mismanaged, with the result that lots of Finns think foreigners are not here to work. The main reason for this is that the Finnish job market has not been able to integrate those who have immigrated. This is mostly because it’s hard to employ *anyone* in this country without massive taxes and bureaucracy.
Asking reddit will give you reddit answers. You’re better off just googling. FYI the happiness report also includes a section for immigrants and they score highly as well. You can google happiest immigrants.