> In the mid-1980s, at the height of the Aids crisis, Mr Anderton said gay men were „swirling about in a human cesspit of their own making“, resulting in calls for his resignation.
It’s shocking and disgusting that this was the mindset some people had at the time. Christ
CalicoCatRobot on
>“I am of course sorry that GMP, and those police bodies which preceded the presently formed GMP prior to 1974, didn’t always perform to the standards deserved by those who we served,“ Mr Watson said.
Meh, sounds like a rather manufactured reaction to not giving an apology in the way requested, though I think we should have more apologies from public servants generally (ideally with some genuine contrition behind them) – it should not be seen as weak to apologise for something that was done incorrectly or wrongly.
I suspect there may be a legal worry about opening up to lawsuits – or maybe the police just don’t like admitting they are wrong, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time.
insomnimax_99 on
> In a letter sent to Mr Tatchell in late April and seen by the BBC, Mr Watson said such an apology could be seen as „superficial and merely performative“.
>He said it would also „unfairly impugn the faithful and valued services of past officers“ and likely „make little or no difference to developing contemporary practice“.
Tbh, I completely agree. Maybe I’m in the minority here, but as an LGBT person I don’t particularly get the whole obsession with making the police grovel for every historical injustice to have ever happened. The police issuing a formal apology makes no actual difference to me whatsoever. It’s just a gesture.
It doesn’t change what happened in the past, and doesn’t actually accomplish anything. It’s purely symbolic, not productive.
Logical_Hare on
Police are so full of themselves. The response they gave is such mealy-mouthed BS.
BlackSpinedPlinketto on
I used to know an older gay guy who liked cottaging, and the police kept catching him. They said they would take him into the woods and give him a kicking in lieu of arresting him because he was married, and he said it like this was reasonable of them to give him the option.
Astriania on
> human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell
Oh ok never mind. This guy is a professional grievance hunter.
And the chief is right, this kind of „apology for things that happened under entirely different people decades ago“ is purely performative and unhelpful.
What matters is whether GMP is fairly policing gay people *today*, and this sort of nonsense is a distraction from that.
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> In the mid-1980s, at the height of the Aids crisis, Mr Anderton said gay men were „swirling about in a human cesspit of their own making“, resulting in calls for his resignation.
It’s shocking and disgusting that this was the mindset some people had at the time. Christ
>“I am of course sorry that GMP, and those police bodies which preceded the presently formed GMP prior to 1974, didn’t always perform to the standards deserved by those who we served,“ Mr Watson said.
Meh, sounds like a rather manufactured reaction to not giving an apology in the way requested, though I think we should have more apologies from public servants generally (ideally with some genuine contrition behind them) – it should not be seen as weak to apologise for something that was done incorrectly or wrongly.
I suspect there may be a legal worry about opening up to lawsuits – or maybe the police just don’t like admitting they are wrong, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time.
> In a letter sent to Mr Tatchell in late April and seen by the BBC, Mr Watson said such an apology could be seen as „superficial and merely performative“.
>He said it would also „unfairly impugn the faithful and valued services of past officers“ and likely „make little or no difference to developing contemporary practice“.
Tbh, I completely agree. Maybe I’m in the minority here, but as an LGBT person I don’t particularly get the whole obsession with making the police grovel for every historical injustice to have ever happened. The police issuing a formal apology makes no actual difference to me whatsoever. It’s just a gesture.
It doesn’t change what happened in the past, and doesn’t actually accomplish anything. It’s purely symbolic, not productive.
Police are so full of themselves. The response they gave is such mealy-mouthed BS.
I used to know an older gay guy who liked cottaging, and the police kept catching him. They said they would take him into the woods and give him a kicking in lieu of arresting him because he was married, and he said it like this was reasonable of them to give him the option.
> human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell
Oh ok never mind. This guy is a professional grievance hunter.
And the chief is right, this kind of „apology for things that happened under entirely different people decades ago“ is purely performative and unhelpful.
What matters is whether GMP is fairly policing gay people *today*, and this sort of nonsense is a distraction from that.