Lehrer sind nicht in Ordnung | AI, Chatgpt und LLMs „haben absolut in die Luft gesprengt, was ich mit meinem Unterricht versuche.“
https://www.404media.co/teachers-are-not-ok-ai-chatgpt/
Lehrer sind nicht in Ordnung | AI, Chatgpt und LLMs „haben absolut in die Luft gesprengt, was ich mit meinem Unterricht versuche.“
https://www.404media.co/teachers-are-not-ok-ai-chatgpt/
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From the article: Last month, I wrote an article about how schools were not prepared for ChatGPT and other generative AI tools, based on thousands of pages of public records I obtained from when ChatGPT was first released. As part of that article, I asked teachers to tell me how AI has changed how they teach.
The response from teachers and university professors was overwhelming. In my entire career, I’ve rarely gotten so many email responses to a single article, and I have never gotten so many thoughtful and comprehensive responses.
One thing is clear: teachers are not OK.
They describe trying to grade “hybrid essays half written by students and half written by robots,” trying to teach Spanish to kids who don’t know the meaning of the words they’re trying to teach them in English, and students who use AI in the middle of conversation.
They describe spending hours grading papers that took their students seconds to generate: “I’ve been thinking more and more about how much time I am almost certainly spending grading and writing feedback for papers that were not even written by the student,” one teacher told me. “That sure feels like bullshit.”
Meanwhile Estonia teaches programming since first grade, and has introduced personalized learning using AI in schools.
https://www.educationestonia.org/ai-in-education-establishing-foundations-for-personalised-learning/
https://e-estonia.com/estonia-announces-a-groundbreaking-national-initiative-ai-leap-programme-to-bring-ai-tools-to-all-schools/
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/may/26/estonia-phone-bans-in-schools-ai-artificial-intelligence
>While many schools in England have banned smartphones, in Estonia – regarded as the new European education powerhouse – students are regularly asked to use their devices in class, and from September they will be given their own AI accounts.
>The small Baltic country – population 1.4 million – has quietly become Europe’s top performer in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s programme for international student assessment (Pisa), overtaking its near neighbour Finland.
>In the most recent Pisa round, held in 2022 with results published a year later, Estonia came top in Europe for maths, science and creative thinking, and second to Ireland in reading. Formerly part of the Soviet Union, it now outperforms countries with far larger populations and bigger budgets.
This means it’s time to abolish homework, keep kids and extra hour, and have them do assignments in class. We don’t have a choice anymore, lest we allow a generation of children grow up to be adult idiots worse than what we have today.
Simple solution – assign reading-only homework. Spend part of class taking written tests with pen and paper, no technology. Scan and grade materials with ChatGPT. Fail the poor performers.
Same issue as calculators in school back in the day. Strategy may need to change
There’s been a strong movement for years niw advocating for video-based teaching and basic exercises as ‚homework‘ and then using the school time for doing the homework in class, where teachers can help where there are problems.
In class, by hand, on paper, with a pencil. Phones in cubbies. Less is more.
Our principal actually set aside time during a recent staff meeting to encourage us to use and incorporate ChatGPT and similar engines into our practice and programming.
I found this extremely alarming. It must be similar to the advent of the calculator. I’m not only worried that our students are going to lose the ability to think for themselves or think critically – I’m deeply concerned about the number of educators that are using these engines and allowing they’re brains and thinking skills to atrophy.
Yes, students need to be aware of these engines, as they will have to navigate an increasingly AI heavy world, but kids need to know how to think, create, edit, review, summarize, etc… I’m afraid it’s already having a terrible effect.
Perhaps education needs to redefine what education is and how it is delivered.
It must be. I don’t know how I feel about the kids. Hell, I wrote a review based on the summary of the book and got a B. I don’t know if that’s relevant but kids nowadays are growing up learning that potentially any skill the learn will be useless for labor. I keep hearing about how it’s an „assistant“ and „will never fully replace“ but… it sure feels like we’re pushing for it to happen really hard without knowing if we really can reach it (but publicallt suggest we will).
I was talking to my dad about this the other day. He’s a smart tech guy. Been around computers since the internet started.
I think the thing people REALLY need to focus on is actually elementary education right now. We need to reduce classes size significantly. Im talking 1 to 10 ratios and focus on achieving excellence is numeracy, literacy, creativity and communication in the early years. All of this with very little to no tech. By the time someone then reaches grade 9, they are much better prepared to use AI and other software as a tool, not a crutch.
The problem right now is people’s deficits are being masked and students lack rigour because they can find an easy way out.
Class sizes are the number one indicator of successes after income level of parents.
Let’s get serious about elementary education and we will be able to blunt a lot of the ill affects here.
I have said this many times as an educator: the literacy crisis is about to hit us hard. In Canada, half of the adult population is functionally illiterate. It is going to get worse because almost every teen is using AI to do essentially all their work, and unless we bring back pencil in paper and in-class only work, it won’t get better.
Banning AI is not the answer, disallowing technology in class is not the answer. Teachers need to step up their game, teaching has not evolved at all and that’s the problem. AI is a tool and should be integrated into teaching and learning.
We will have to rethink the „standardized testing“ and „teaching for the test“ mentality we have in the US. Remove homework and do more in-class teaching, and get more personalized. Use AI to help educate sling with teachers.
We need to adapt and education & law enforcement hate that
It’s not ok letting people under 18 use software in their life that routinely writes delusions of grandeur that grown adults fall for and believe.
Time to adapt by removing the screen from the classroom. To me it’s obvious. Paper and pencil tests. Essays/writing in class only. No more homework. No screens allowed in class. No more mindless zombie time wasters and indoctrination of obedience over actual learning skills.
Adapt or get left behind. We need teachers who can teach kids how to responsibly use AI, not fight against it all while keeping the status quo. The fact of the matter is that LLMs are incredibly capable of doing the status quo, and if you give kids any opportunity to use it- they will.
I’m good friends with an anthropology professor and she is furious that her students are using chatgpt to make a mockery of her lesson plan.
She said half the students in a given semester turn in identical papers because they all just fed the assignment into chatgpt and then saved it as their own. The other half only have different papers because they told chatgpt to make some changes so it wasn’t so obvious.
When I suggested to her that perhaps an essay assignment wasn’t the best way to guage an student’s understanding of the material she scoffed and said there really isn’t another way to do this.
When I suggested that perhaps she have a discussion based assessment with each student she said she wouldn’t have the time to do so. That seems like a poor excuse though when one considers the time the student should have spent writing the paper and the time the professor should have spent grading it.
Pen and paper should be back mandatory for the schools at the very least
We’re at a crossroads where we’re going to have to see where AI goes and then develop an educational model that works within whatever that reality looks like.
Whatever amount of the AI bubble turns out to be hype with no substance from here on out, there’s already enough in there to have blown up the old way of doing things.
It would be nice if this could viewed as an opportunity rather than just another technological panic though. Schools existing to simply churn out students who can pass exams efficiently by any means possible wasn’t exactly a brilliant plan either.
Well if we don’t grade students on their ability to comprehend, learn and solve problems but simply on regurgitating information that is most likely uninteresting and useless to them using basically the same systems put in place 200 years ago to make factory workers then I can understand why those students don’t care.
Modern education determines a person’s worth by their academic success, while schools are continuously severely underfunded and teachers overworked. A system like that is bound to fail the second you introduce something that helps students improve their „worth“ without sacrificing their time.
I’m trying to teach my kids cursive, but computers have them all writing emails. It’s so terrible
I think skills will change, things you think matter today won’t matter tomorrow.
Writing in cursive is something that was always taught in school, now it’s useless because we type so much.
You used to be able to read a map and figure out how to get places by memory or by land marks… Now Google maps does it for you.
The world hasn’t collapsed – skills changed from using your skills to do the task to figuring the best way to leverage a computer to do it for you. The outcome is the same, so who cares?
There is this positive impact of AI where you can essentially have a assistant teacher assigned to a specific student giving them lesson plans and helping them on an individual basis.
Problem is, that technology is not available yet, and it’s hard to prevent kids from finding the easy way out.
The schools have tried doing paper only, but then the kids take a photo of the work and then the next day they will have the answer because AI will give the answer via the picture and all the kids will share it
Yes, we could blame edge case system and we can blame teachers because they’re slow to adapt. But this talk knowledge super fast and no one knows the actual ramifications of it…. We already know what cell phones, social media, has done to us, we already know the literacy rate has been destroyed across the board and that doesn’t even touch what happened to math
And what do we do for the transition generation?
Gen Z imo already got wrecked due to social media algorithms and they suffered from mental health issues
Now the gen after is going to suffer from learning issues
All this is going to dramatically effect them as they get older
I think AI has fantastic potential to be used in teaching, but it needs monitoring.
My personal experience as a student, is I can ask AI questions no matter how dumb and/or obvious, and it will explain in meticulous detail my question, and I can continue to ask clarifying questions. And if I feed it a pdf of my textbook, it will take the info from the textbook and even provide references! I consider it a vital study aid for me nowadays. It’s basically a 24/7 tutor who I don’t need to pay.
But you DO need to keep your head and maintain critical thinking. AI can still hallucinate and output bullshit on occassion, you need to be able to identify when something seems amiss and ask a teacher or outside resource during those times.
As far as grading goes, I think this is a que to finally abolish homework. Students need monitoring to make sure an AI isn’t writing their assignments for them. Really, having somebody else do your homework was always a major issue, but now it’s just way more pervasive so it can’t be ignored anymore.
And teachers need better testing methods to verify their knowledge to catch any AI hallucination caused info, with more practical aspects to show that they don’t need the AI to do things.
Reverses classrooms. Student study the material at home ahead of time; homework turns into classwork instead and will be done in class, by hand without a computer.
Idea is that students will basically be taking mini test on what they learned the day before. They can use all the ChatGPT all they want at home, but if they don’t learn anything from it, it’ll reflect on their classwork.
„Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.“
I feel how distressing this must be for teachers, but this is a great opportunity to revamp education to be more cost effective and provide better outcomes for students.
There is plenty of scope for improving the level and quality of education but yeah, human teacher role will need to evolve quickly, even though it won’t be completely clear in which direction for quite a while, so mistakes will be made. It’s going to be challenging. We are going to be dependent on robots in the not too distant future.
I’ll be honest. This feels like what you are trying to teach is just out of date. This also feels like a game known for cheaters. Where you never truly know if someone is cheating but it’s likely, so you go ahead and assume everyone is without knowing the real truth.
I feel for teachers but also for kids. Teaching has always been complicated and evolving. This is really throwing a wrench in the machine. We used to say we’ll never need to learn math because we have calculators, but this is a million times worse.
I don’t see a bright outcome of this, it will cause a bigger gaps between learning progressions, and more unqualified decision makers.
Isn’t using AI to grade a solution to at least one of the items listed as a problem?
Then you have to figure a different way to do it. Your methods have to evolve or they die on the vine in the face of new technologies.
That’s what you get for making students learn for 8 hours a day but still assign them homework. That’s more oppressive than a job. If they can’t do it in class, stop assigning it. Old teaching models don’t work anymore; you’re doing it to yourself and causing students to fall behind by clinging to it.
I think we just need to move a more European system where people are verbally quizzed and homework is greatly reduced
Bluebooks and Scantrons are kryptonite to AI cheating.
I think the traditional education system needs changed to support children using these new tools correctly. The genie is out of the bottle and this upcoming generation is going to have a totally different childhood similar to how life changed with the internet + home computers. In school we learned how to utilize the resource, how to google and read sources – Wikipedia wasn’t to be trusted etc. Those same new concepts will need to be applied here because now we have a calculator in our pocket at all times, for any topic.
Is there no „created using chatgpt“ digital watermark capability? Run it through a Ai to ask it „You write this, if so how much of it?“ The irony of that?
I think the traditional education model needs to be disestablished and replaced with a structure based on learning outcomes relevant for today, not an agricultural society from 100 years ago. The longer we keep acting like it’s 1968, the worse the pretense is going to be on educators and the pupils.
I’m so glad my girlfriend and I are leaving the UK in September to travel the world and worldschool our children. We can give them the education they deserve whilst allowing them to learn things like AI in a constructive and useful way without it being to the detriment of any of their soft or hard skills.
Why don’t teachers ban cellphones in classrooms, and shut down the laptops when not required? We’ve given children the tools to cheat at an unprecedented level. A teacher should prescribe less homework and force learning in the classroom. Giving verbal book reports, solving math problems in real time, and working on team problem solving while in class. Why can’t this happen?
As someone who is teaching University chemistry, there’s two things I want to say:
1) Students only care about passing, and as such if they don’t know an answer for a take-home will use ChatGPT. We (I) can tell when they use it but my university does not have a stance saying „this is an academic integrity violation“. As far as I can see, all this will result in is people with chemistry degrees having absolutely no idea what they are doing in this simplest of jobs post-graduation. It also means that anything outside of the in person final exam is essentially meaningless in terms of grading. I do not teach to grade slop-generated papers.
2) LLM’s are often straight up wrong in „technical“ fields. Chemistry answers are mostly bullshit, code produced by LLM’s is poorly written or not focussed towards the subject of the question and anything that requires a cross-reference with a somewhat niche equation fails because it is being fed crap information from sources like researchgate and reddit.
LLM’s are just modern search engines. They are not AI, they are not intelligent and they cannot produce original thought (in public models). We should teach student’s to use them as an entry point to material, but unless the skills to question the output is there, what is the point?
If your assignments are things ChatGPT can do, you need to reassess your teaching. I use ChatGPT for writing every day and it’s never delivered anything that deserves better than a C.
The world is changing. Schools have to. And I‘m happy that this Oldschool learning methods are getting better for the sake of our kids.
So you spend a century creating a system where kids aren’t there to learn but to rehash the answers and are now mad that they’re using technology to get that quicker and more efficiently reducing the actual learning even more?
You cram 40 kids in a classroom, make everything about test scores, and make college entries based on who has the highest grade, and then are mad that kids are trying to gain competitive advantage?
I wonder how many of the teachers are using LLM to come up with tests. To create projects?
Google launched the year I started high school. Search engines in general were a new thing that is students adapted to quickly. I remember teachers saying the same thing about search engines vs print media research and understanding the card catalog system. By the time I was in college, internet research skills were expected.
„AI“ (LLMs more accurately) is a tool – we will adapt how and what we teach to best use it. Once we figure that out (may take a while), the real benefits of having that tool will take shape. We can devote more time in educational development to other areas – right now we don’t even know what that means exactly.
Ideally, more automation means less labor required with the same wealth to go around but capitalism hampers that progress, unfortunately.
I’m an optimist, perhaps. But a realist in that I won’t likely live to see a fully automated post-scarcity global society achieved.
The problem isn’t the teachers or the students or AI for that matter. The problem is the fundamental idea of what education is in America. The point of school should be teaching children how to learn on their own. Teaching them how to aquire and retain information that interests them or is needed for future aspirations. Right now in the US the education system is instead set up to make sure children get the right answers to specific questions on standardized tests so the school can aquire more funding. Public schools do not teach fundamental learning. They teach rote memorization for self profit.
I understand not all teachers are the same. Not all teachers are solely teaching fact. I know teachers do care. I’m not blaming teachers. The system as a whole is the problem and even great teachers who do care have to operate inside that system. It’s broken and instead of fixing it we are mad that „having the right answer“ isn’t a memorization exercise anymore and instead is now a search engine exercise.
Sounds like a grading problem, not a teaching problem.
It’s time to a) universally disallow devices at school, b) return to handwritten (or air-gapped word processor), proctored exams and even worksheets, c) start building an hour of proctored coursework into the school day in lieu of homework, and d) include mandatory AI curriculum, which would include prompt engineering and understanding how to identify proper sourcing etc., through high school.
In other words, the general education system is failing to adapt to an inevitable reality. It hasn’t become obsolete because of the rise of LLMs and their everyday use, they’ve just sped up a rot that’s been happening for decades, if not longer.