Didn’t they already have a tool called the filibuster?
Some_Ride1014 on
Chuckie won’t do it, because it would paralyze the government. He will probably vote yes on the current bill.
StephenSwolebear on
New filibuster just dropped:
„Any 30 senators can force a CRA resolution onto the floor, with a required ten hours of debate time. These resolutions would need the president’s signature, and nearly all of them wouldn’t even get the Republican votes necessary to pass the Senate. But according to Senate procedure, they have to be dealt with if enough senators force them onto the floor. They must be debated and voted upon ahead of other Senate business if brought up for consideration. This means that Democrats can tie up the Senate floor for upwards of ten hours with any single CRA resolution.“
aircooledJenkins on
>Only executive branch agency rules can be overturned by a CRA resolution, and only within 60 legislative days after being presented to Congress, in an up-or-down vote that avoids the Senate filibuster. The Senate parliamentarian, joining the auditors at the Government Accountability Office, said that the EPA waivers were not “rules” as defined by the CRA, and therefore couldn’t be put into a resolution. Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), in a communication he sent last Congress about these very EPA waivers, agreed that the “federal preemption waivers cannot be reviewed under the Congressional Review Act.”
>Yet Senate Republicans said, “Tough, we’re doing it anyway.” And Lee voted with them.
>California has already announced that it will sue to maintain its waiver, charging that the Senate had no authority to overturn it. But the Senate operates largely on precedent, and now that the parliamentarian has been disregarded on this point, virtually any action the executive branch takes could be construed as a rule, and therefore subject to fast-track congressional review.
>For this reason, Democrats could subject the Senate to time-consuming resolution votes repeatedly, to such a degree that the Senate would not have time to do anything else for the rest of this session of Congress. In other words, Democrats could respond to the waiver vote by paralyzing the Senate, and stopping the giant Trump tax bill from ever reaching the floor.
elconquistador1985 on
Gasp! The parliamentarian? Oh no!
They can’t „stop“ the big wealth redistribution bill with that. All they can do is make Republicans vote to override the parliamentarian.
redcomet002 on
It’s impressive what the media has managed to do for the fascists. People in here are already talking about how much the Dems are failing and that they won’t do anything, while ignoring that they don’t really have a play. Republicans will just change the rules and force the Enabling Act 2.0 through, then the media will blame the Dems for not stopping it, and everyone here will chatter on about „see, told you they where spineless“
astrozombie2012 on
Don’t worry, they won’t… in fact they’ll likely vote for it and condemn us further like the fucking cowards they are
Gizogin on
The basic idea is that 30 senators can force essentially endless procedural votes, each with a potential 10-hour debate period, to tie up the Senate indefinitely.
But this is not as surefire as the article makes it sound. Those debates and votes have to be added to the schedule, and they can’t be postponed or delayed once they’re on there, but I can’t see anything in the code that forces said debates and votes to take place as soon as possible. And even then, invoking this procedure seems to require that the resolution have been in committee for twenty calendar days before it can be forced to the floor for a vote. Which also means that someone has to *submit* a resolution to the Senate for this to come into effect at all.
The ten-hour period the article references is an *upper* limit, with no lower limit specified. I can’t see anything that would prevent the Senate majority leader from scheduling the mandatory debate and vote period from lasting just 20 minutes on some inconsequential day at the end of the session, meaning the “threat” could be defanged pretty significantly.
PlentyMacaroon8903 on
Checks comments to see if everyone is blaming Democrats.
Yep.
ViTaLC0D3R on
Wow that’s great! I’m the sure the Democrats will take good advantage of this new found leverage. /s
rikaateabug on
We need to stop legitimizing the King’s edict by repeating this „beautiful“ nonsense– it’s „backwards bigoted boondoggle“.
>Importantly, Senate Democrats already know this. In a letter sent to Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) before the EPA waiver vote, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and several others made this very point: “If the current Senate Majority were to open this door, the CRA could be weaponized to retroactively invalidate decades of agency actions, and effectively hijack the Senate floor.”
Bold claim from my feckless Senator. Fingers crossed he’ll actually do his job and save me a disgruntled constituent call/email/fax.
FakePlasticBushes on
I am sure Schumer will do the right thing…
captaincanada84 on
And Democrats will do what they always do, fumble the ball so hard they lose again and again and again.
definitelyno_ on
You know it’s a sign of government working well when you have to loophole the fuck out of everything
Boombabyfor333 on
They better stop it or America is fucked
chpbnvic on
I think people are kidding themselves when they have hope that the senate GOP will do something. They’re all in on it. All of them. They don’t care about anyone but themselves and the rich. This disaster is passing with flying colors.
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Dems will trip over their own feet.
Inb4 they fucking bungle it!
They’ll try to eat the tool then complain that the tool wasn’t good enough. You’ll be left uncertain as to whether they mean taste or utility.
“Said tool, known as a spine, was not viewed as useful so ultimately the Dems discarded it in hopes of returning to the status quo.”
The Republicans will just change the rules again. It is what they do. They hate justice as much as they hate freedom.
They will chuck it up.
Im sure they’ll feel that civics and decorum are more important, but will gladly take a photo op on the Capitol steps after its signed into law.
They want it to pass because they think the public will be mad at Republicans and donate to the Democrats. That’s all they care about.
I’ll believe it when I start seeing it happening, but sure, MAYBE give it a whirl instead of doing absolutely nothing….sigh
nah. they have tried nothing and are fresh out of ideas, so they will give up.
In the end they will “Schumer it” over the line. Have faith.
I posted this cartoon elsewhere on r/politics, but it is [worth repeating](https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/487281357_18325356292167872_1285722425150576353_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_e35_tt6&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6IkZFRUQuaW1hZ2VfdXJsZ2VuLjk1OHg5ODEuc2RyLmY3NTc2MS5kZWZhdWx0X2ltYWdlIn0&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=Q6cZ2QHkKHIUz-Iw2oRxt3qmZP1WZHW_24bVjs8vAxDOeitu_25VEImuP5uAcjuJdJxriPHHbTk2hkdamNeCiHwCzZRB&_nc_ohc=a3mfhDo7yG8Q7kNvwHogMtz&_nc_gid=T3s8WYoQFCdiqwwAfsTOpA&edm=ALQROFkBAAAA&ccb=7-5&ig_cache_key=MzU5NzYxMzY1MjA3MDY2NDUwMA%3D%3D.3-ccb7-5&oh=00_AfIp7fvT5PVRk3k5pjGQPypa3yO6Vz7IskbmytpFWTeQrw&oe=683CAB30&_nc_sid=fc8dfb) when it comes to Dems using this tactic.
A strongly-worded letter?
Can’t wait to see how they avoid using it.
Sounds good but they won’t do it
Fucking do it, stop this goddamned monstrosity
Didn’t they already have a tool called the filibuster?
Chuckie won’t do it, because it would paralyze the government. He will probably vote yes on the current bill.
New filibuster just dropped:
„Any 30 senators can force a CRA resolution onto the floor, with a required ten hours of debate time. These resolutions would need the president’s signature, and nearly all of them wouldn’t even get the Republican votes necessary to pass the Senate. But according to Senate procedure, they have to be dealt with if enough senators force them onto the floor. They must be debated and voted upon ahead of other Senate business if brought up for consideration. This means that Democrats can tie up the Senate floor for upwards of ten hours with any single CRA resolution.“
>Only executive branch agency rules can be overturned by a CRA resolution, and only within 60 legislative days after being presented to Congress, in an up-or-down vote that avoids the Senate filibuster. The Senate parliamentarian, joining the auditors at the Government Accountability Office, said that the EPA waivers were not “rules” as defined by the CRA, and therefore couldn’t be put into a resolution. Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), in a communication he sent last Congress about these very EPA waivers, agreed that the “federal preemption waivers cannot be reviewed under the Congressional Review Act.”
>Yet Senate Republicans said, “Tough, we’re doing it anyway.” And Lee voted with them.
>California has already announced that it will sue to maintain its waiver, charging that the Senate had no authority to overturn it. But the Senate operates largely on precedent, and now that the parliamentarian has been disregarded on this point, virtually any action the executive branch takes could be construed as a rule, and therefore subject to fast-track congressional review.
>For this reason, Democrats could subject the Senate to time-consuming resolution votes repeatedly, to such a degree that the Senate would not have time to do anything else for the rest of this session of Congress. In other words, Democrats could respond to the waiver vote by paralyzing the Senate, and stopping the giant Trump tax bill from ever reaching the floor.
Gasp! The parliamentarian? Oh no!
They can’t „stop“ the big wealth redistribution bill with that. All they can do is make Republicans vote to override the parliamentarian.
It’s impressive what the media has managed to do for the fascists. People in here are already talking about how much the Dems are failing and that they won’t do anything, while ignoring that they don’t really have a play. Republicans will just change the rules and force the Enabling Act 2.0 through, then the media will blame the Dems for not stopping it, and everyone here will chatter on about „see, told you they where spineless“
Don’t worry, they won’t… in fact they’ll likely vote for it and condemn us further like the fucking cowards they are
The basic idea is that 30 senators can force essentially endless procedural votes, each with a potential 10-hour debate period, to tie up the Senate indefinitely.
But this is not as surefire as the article makes it sound. Those debates and votes have to be added to the schedule, and they can’t be postponed or delayed once they’re on there, but I can’t see anything in the code that forces said debates and votes to take place as soon as possible. And even then, invoking this procedure seems to require that the resolution have been in committee for twenty calendar days before it can be forced to the floor for a vote. Which also means that someone has to *submit* a resolution to the Senate for this to come into effect at all.
The ten-hour period the article references is an *upper* limit, with no lower limit specified. I can’t see anything that would prevent the Senate majority leader from scheduling the mandatory debate and vote period from lasting just 20 minutes on some inconsequential day at the end of the session, meaning the “threat” could be defanged pretty significantly.
Checks comments to see if everyone is blaming Democrats.
Yep.
Wow that’s great! I’m the sure the Democrats will take good advantage of this new found leverage. /s
We need to stop legitimizing the King’s edict by repeating this „beautiful“ nonsense– it’s „backwards bigoted boondoggle“.
>Importantly, Senate Democrats already know this. In a letter sent to Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) before the EPA waiver vote, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and several others made this very point: “If the current Senate Majority were to open this door, the CRA could be weaponized to retroactively invalidate decades of agency actions, and effectively hijack the Senate floor.”
Bold claim from my feckless Senator. Fingers crossed he’ll actually do his job and save me a disgruntled constituent call/email/fax.
I am sure Schumer will do the right thing…
And Democrats will do what they always do, fumble the ball so hard they lose again and again and again.
You know it’s a sign of government working well when you have to loophole the fuck out of everything
They better stop it or America is fucked
I think people are kidding themselves when they have hope that the senate GOP will do something. They’re all in on it. All of them. They don’t care about anyone but themselves and the rich. This disaster is passing with flying colors.