I mean, from an outsider looking in as your average voter will, had Carney bent the rules to give NDP status here he would have had the same „LIB NDP COALITION “ bs thrown at him that a simple supply and confidence agreement did. your average person reads headlines and bending the rules to give NDP status here would have been bad optics. I’m sure trudeau would have for some stability lol but Carney is seemingly much better at optics.
I firmly believe he might grant it to them in a couple years if he needs the stability or after another election and they failed to gain it, but literally no reason to now from a political standpoint (reminder NDP stopped the Bloc from getting status many years ago so they aren’t above this)
UnluckyRandomGuy on
Good, absolutely no reason to change rules for a single party that deservedly lost seats. They are in this position solely due to their terrible politics and they don’t deserve to be bailed out, hopefully this will make them take a long hard look at what the party has become
TheWaySheHoes on
I mean, it really sucks for the NDP to have propped up the Liberals to their dying breath and then get shafted like this, but they kind of did it to themselves.
They bear hugged on to Trudeau long after it was clear he was utterly radioactive, even in Liberal strongholds. The LPC was able to reinvent themselves with a fresh coat of paint and an abjectly competent leader, so the Singh NDP really wore the stink of 2022-2024.
Plus they ran an awful campaign and failed to hit 12 seats. Them’s the breaks and that’s politics baby. The NDP was adamant that the BQ had to own their failures so I don’t see why they should get a break.
I think this is one of those moments where “your incompetence is not my emergency” would apply.
Spaghetti_Dealer2020 on
As a former NDP supporter, Id rather the party take the time to look inward in figuring out what led them to this point rather than asking to be grandfathered in while offering zero concessions to the Liberals.
CharlesDeBerry on
Make sense considering their actions. Sucks to loose a center party though and only have a right of center and a right wing party now.
Temaharay on
The federal NDP are awesome. Legit, the only party serving poor and working Canadians without halt. They’ll make it through this.
They are truly doing legendary good work.
OttoVonDisraeli on
The NDP will tell themselves it was all worth it because the Liberals gave them a couple of bones during the Supply & Confidence times.
doogie1993 on
Pretty awful look for the Liberals imo, not being willing to throw a bone to the party that’s propped you up for the last 4 years. Obviously they want a weak NDP so they can do better electorally (as seen this election) so this is entirely self-serving from them, but absolutely rubs me the wrong way personally, especially with them going out of their way to make sure PP can run for his seat asap. I hope every NDP/Liberal swing voter remembers this come election time
likeableusername on
I think there is an argument that that threshold should be changed. But they weren’t making that argument as far as I know. Instead, they were trying to argue that they should somehow be granted a one-time exemption from the rules based on the fact that they still earned over a million votes.
No wonder people aren’t sympathetic.
ResoluteGreen on
Not surprising, Liberals only won what they did because the NDP (and Green and Bloc) vote collapsed, so it’s in their interest to keep their boot on their neck
j821c on
I think it might have been worth considering if the NDP hadn’t of gotten completely obliterated in this election. It’s one thing to bend the rules if they’re 1-2 seats off and at like 15% of the vote but they had half the seats required and had 6% of the vote. They were miles off.
GracefulShutdown on
They literally don’t meet the definition defined prior to election for official party status. Only seems fair that they are held to the same rules as existed before the election.
SinisterCanuck on
It should be the same reason the Green Party weren’t permitted at the debates.
Although it feels really bad, rules are rules in this case for a reason.
What I would love to see through, is some kind of extra funding for parties that formerly held official status. The bad side of the NDP not being recognized, is the loss of funding that comes with that.
It would be great if there were funds that could be given to former official parties that help them rally for the next election. Kind of like “hey, you’re not an official party now due to your most recent electoral performance. To ensure you don’t fall too far behind, heres some extra budget ear marked for your party to help out a little next time.” There would likely have to be a bunch of fine print but I think it could work.
Politics doesn’t have to be a cut throat game of winners and losers. It would be nice to be reminded of that. A good recent example of this behaviour is not playing any games and calling the byelection asap for PP. Though a small gesture, it actually scored Carney points in my book.
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I mean, from an outsider looking in as your average voter will, had Carney bent the rules to give NDP status here he would have had the same „LIB NDP COALITION “ bs thrown at him that a simple supply and confidence agreement did. your average person reads headlines and bending the rules to give NDP status here would have been bad optics. I’m sure trudeau would have for some stability lol but Carney is seemingly much better at optics.
I firmly believe he might grant it to them in a couple years if he needs the stability or after another election and they failed to gain it, but literally no reason to now from a political standpoint (reminder NDP stopped the Bloc from getting status many years ago so they aren’t above this)
Good, absolutely no reason to change rules for a single party that deservedly lost seats. They are in this position solely due to their terrible politics and they don’t deserve to be bailed out, hopefully this will make them take a long hard look at what the party has become
I mean, it really sucks for the NDP to have propped up the Liberals to their dying breath and then get shafted like this, but they kind of did it to themselves.
They bear hugged on to Trudeau long after it was clear he was utterly radioactive, even in Liberal strongholds. The LPC was able to reinvent themselves with a fresh coat of paint and an abjectly competent leader, so the Singh NDP really wore the stink of 2022-2024.
Plus they ran an awful campaign and failed to hit 12 seats. Them’s the breaks and that’s politics baby. The NDP was adamant that the BQ had to own their failures so I don’t see why they should get a break.
I think this is one of those moments where “your incompetence is not my emergency” would apply.
As a former NDP supporter, Id rather the party take the time to look inward in figuring out what led them to this point rather than asking to be grandfathered in while offering zero concessions to the Liberals.
Make sense considering their actions. Sucks to loose a center party though and only have a right of center and a right wing party now.
The federal NDP are awesome. Legit, the only party serving poor and working Canadians without halt. They’ll make it through this.
They are truly doing legendary good work.
The NDP will tell themselves it was all worth it because the Liberals gave them a couple of bones during the Supply & Confidence times.
Pretty awful look for the Liberals imo, not being willing to throw a bone to the party that’s propped you up for the last 4 years. Obviously they want a weak NDP so they can do better electorally (as seen this election) so this is entirely self-serving from them, but absolutely rubs me the wrong way personally, especially with them going out of their way to make sure PP can run for his seat asap. I hope every NDP/Liberal swing voter remembers this come election time
I think there is an argument that that threshold should be changed. But they weren’t making that argument as far as I know. Instead, they were trying to argue that they should somehow be granted a one-time exemption from the rules based on the fact that they still earned over a million votes.
No wonder people aren’t sympathetic.
Not surprising, Liberals only won what they did because the NDP (and Green and Bloc) vote collapsed, so it’s in their interest to keep their boot on their neck
I think it might have been worth considering if the NDP hadn’t of gotten completely obliterated in this election. It’s one thing to bend the rules if they’re 1-2 seats off and at like 15% of the vote but they had half the seats required and had 6% of the vote. They were miles off.
They literally don’t meet the definition defined prior to election for official party status. Only seems fair that they are held to the same rules as existed before the election.
It should be the same reason the Green Party weren’t permitted at the debates.
Although it feels really bad, rules are rules in this case for a reason.
What I would love to see through, is some kind of extra funding for parties that formerly held official status. The bad side of the NDP not being recognized, is the loss of funding that comes with that.
It would be great if there were funds that could be given to former official parties that help them rally for the next election. Kind of like “hey, you’re not an official party now due to your most recent electoral performance. To ensure you don’t fall too far behind, heres some extra budget ear marked for your party to help out a little next time.” There would likely have to be a bunch of fine print but I think it could work.
Politics doesn’t have to be a cut throat game of winners and losers. It would be nice to be reminded of that. A good recent example of this behaviour is not playing any games and calling the byelection asap for PP. Though a small gesture, it actually scored Carney points in my book.