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    1. MimesAreShite on

      i thought labour might be running out of ways to make themselves less popular but theyve proved me wrong by picking a fight with endangered birds for no clear reason while also backtracking on a policy they supported less than 2 years ago. astounding work.

    2. It’s a nice idea but seems like a fucking bonkers thing to actually legislate and enforce.

    3. It’s the owners decision if they want to encourage birds nesting in their walls.

    4. Very strange to be taking an anti wildlife and nature stance when the greens are getting more and more popular as years go on and people generally become more aware of the natural world around them and how to live with nature and help support it.

    5. Minimum-Geologist-58 on

      Are they going to enforce it? With a fine more than the costs of the brick and related work to remember to put it in and actually charge said fine?

      No?

      Well then don’t do it. There’s way too much of this kind of “good idea shame barely anybody does it” regulation in the UK.

    6. TealuvinBrit on

      FYI these bricks cost around £40. Sorry, but if that’s unaffordable by developers then they are lying.

    7. Fuck_your_future_ on

      390 Bricks for £534 or one of these for £35. Do they even care about the birds, or do they just want the profit. I wonder what the mark ups are comparatively.

    8. KestrelQuillPen on

      And cue the usual brigade, who couldn’t identify a swift if it sat on them and have only ever laid bricks in a toilet bowl, now masquerading as experts on wildlife and house construction.

    9. This is where we’re at with the red tape cutting.

      What should happen is that you put every feasible thing in to new builds to help wildlife. Then you don’t need to do any surveys and that’s the trade off. You save lots of money by not hiring the people doing the surveys but spend some money on conserving the species you’re likely to be impacting.

      Fences/walls have wildlife holes, swift and bat bricks. A suds pond that’s made suitable for a range of species on site. And that’s me just throwing things in without trying.

      But because the people in charge probably won’t live long enough to see the benefits of those sorts of impacts they just won’t do it. And they will still cut the red tape so we get the worst of both worlds.

    10. regprenticer on

      I have birds living in a crack in my gable. They make a racket as early as 4am and shit everywhere. I’m not sure the unintended consequences of having „swift bricks“ have been clearly thought out – especially when we are asked to take bird flu seriously you wouldn’t want one part of your wall/garden/ patio to be constantly covered in bird shit.

    11. Good. This sort of bullshit regulation is exactly how you end up with a mountain of red tape that prevents anything getting done, and adds cost to the things that are. Hundreds of ideas that individually sound reasonable, but when put together incrementally create a significant regulatory burden.

    12. Away-Activity-469 on

      Do these swift bricks actually attract swifts, or are they like all those ‚bug hotels‘ built into everything that I’ve never seen a single bug use?

    13. Another nail in the coffin (or brick in the wall in this case) for starmer the harmer and his merry band of tories.

    14. Good, literally no reason why you can’t just nail a bird box to the wall.

      Having a brick that you can’t clean out every season will just mean it’ll get filled up and won’t be used by any birds. 

      I’ve got 7 bird boxes in my garden with removable lids, whenever I stop seeing birds go in them I go and clean them out for new birds to use. And they always get reused. 

      The bricks £35, my bird boxes were £5 each. 
      So why not just put bird boxes in the area, hell buy some bird boxes and go nail them to trees in the area if you’re that passionate about them. 

      People whining about this are weird. Put a offer on a new house for £5 less and go buy a bird box? 

    15. Ah yes. Lets make building anything even harder than it already is. Delightful

    16. The problem with overregulation is rarely the cost of a single specific regulation but the overhead that comes with all the regulations added up,

      While the brick costs £35 the cost of making and updating the regulation. Ensuring that architects, builders and bricklayer are aware of the new rule (each and every new rule) adds up.

      You also need to ensure that the makers of swift bricks meet the government standard (which will add cost).

      You’ll then also need get surveyors to ensure that companies are using bricks that meet the standard and aren’t just cheap versions with too small holes that degrade. If its to be correctly enforced, you’ll need to add workload to surveyors as well.

      Then inevitably sometimes architects will forget the swift brick specifications, and even more likely the bricklayer, who’s trying to be as efficient as possible, will forget that in space x32 y43 the special brick should be put in and the house will be built without the brick. Maybe they need to redo part of a wall or hope no one notices and risk the cost of having to hire someone to remove a brick and insert a new one in (hiring someone to do that will cost much more than £35). All of this adds cost.

      Then you take this small extra regulation and add it up with all other regulations and you get an expensive headache.

      There is good reason that government policy at present is to deregulate and make building cheaper and quicker. We desperately need to build more quickly, cheaper and more efficiently whilst remaining safe.

      Swift boxes clearly a fantastic idea that some housebuilders are doing voluntarily. But it won’t just cost £35 per brick. It’ll cost a lot more than that to have a rule.

      You can also choose to hire someone to replace a brick with a swift brick yourself (or DIY it). Here’s a [good website](https://sheffieldswiftnetwork.org/how-to-buy-and-retrofit-a-swift-brick-its-simple/#:~:text=Where%20to%20install,large%20trees%20near%20the%20entrance) I found that shows you how to install one into your own home.

      Unfortunately, I still rent so can’t do this myself.

    17. Where would these bricks be placed that they are soundproofed enough to hide the cacophony of baby birds chirping every year?

      Birds, traffic – everything is maddening.

    18. Howamimeanttodothat on

      I’ve recently worked on a project where we installed them. It was mainly parrots using them, but was rather cool seeing them so close up when on the scaffold.

    19. Armadillo-66 on

      1 site I worked on had to use swift/ house martins and bat boxes , they even had to fit box’s for field mice

    20. BusyBeeBridgette on

      So Labour initially backed it when the Tories were in office. Now they have the seat, they no longer back it. Politicians, blergh.

    21. Pleasant-Scarcity860 on

      It doesn’t need boxes for them Rotherham council have just re roofed all the council housing on our estate and put new fascia and soffit’s where they used to be open eves we used to have thousands of swifts a couple of years later I think I’ve seen maybe half a dozen

    22. External-Piccolo-626 on

      ‘University of Sheffield study found that 75% of bird and bat boxes demanded as a condition of planning permission for new housing developments had failed to materialise when the housing estates were complete’

      Massive fines needed. A new estate around here was told under no circumstances must an ancient hedgerow be ripped out. They did it anyway and absolutely nothing happened. Councils are under massive pressure to meet house building numbers they let loads slide.

    23. GrowingPriority on

      It’s not that £40 is a lot of money (although to some it is); it’s that I don’t want to pay £40 for something that I just don’t care about.

      If it was just this one time, okay fine. But it’s not just one time. Today it’s the bird people, tomorrow it’ll be the bee people, the next day it will be some other group that’s been emboldened by the success of all the others.

      If you want hollow bricks, get you some hollow bricks. Leave me out of it.

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