Die Armeniens Regierung genehmigte am Mittwoch einen umstrittenen Reformvorschlag, der es jungen Männern ermöglichen würde, ihren obligatorischen Militärdienst erheblich zu verkürzen und neue Bedenken hinsichtlich der sozialen Ungleichheit und des systemischen Bevorzugung im Wehrungssystem auszulösen.
Der Gesetzentwurf, der von der regierenden Zivilvertragspartei Hayk Sargsyan eingeführt und während der Kabinettssitzung vom 22. Mai gebilligt wurde, legt neue finanzielle Bedingungen und Serviceoptionen zur Modernisierung der Wehrpflicht -Rahmenbedingungen in Armenien unter laufenden Sicherheitsbedrohungen fest. Nach der überarbeiteten Version erfordert ein einmonatiger symbolischer Service eine Zahlung von 62.000 US-Dollar gegenüber den früheren vorgeschlagenen 52.000 US-Dollar. Eine viermonatige Option würde 47.000 US-Dollar kosten, während die Standardzeit von 24 Monaten nicht bezahlt bleibt, aber für diejenigen, die nicht zahlen können, obligatorisch sind. Verteidigungsminister Suren Papikyan sagte, dass der Gesetzentwurf sowohl technische als auch materielle Änderungen enthält, und betonte sein Ziel, die Reservekräfte des Landes zu erweitern. "Sogar ein Monat Training stellt sicher, dass ein junger Mann mit Waffen vertraut ist und in die Militärreserve eintritt." Er sagte und fügte hinzu, dass die Änderungen auch das maximale Alter für den obligatorischen Dienst bei 32 festlegen. Die Gesetzesvorlage schlägt außerdem vor, dass armenische männliche Bürger unter 16 Jahren einer finanziellen Verpflichtung von 39.000 US -Dollar ausgesetzt sein werden, die durch den Militärdienst oder durch Verzicht auf die armenische Staatsbürgerschaft und die Zahlung der Gebühr erfüllt werden kann.
Von Civilnet
Was ist mit der Regierung wirklich los? Sie werden wieder reich und arm trennen? Der obligatorische Militärdienst hat so viele Probleme, aber die Bevölkerung der Menschen in Reiche und Arme löst das Problem nicht!
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Von Quiet-Orange6476
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Nice 👍
Those people who come from a wealthy background, will be able to contribute a significant sum of money to the state budget
At least they could pay our active-serving soldiers a bit more than 3000 AMD a month.
we do the same in turkey
On one hand: Social segregation based on wealth.
On another hand: Budget gets filled.
On an entirely another hand – people take mortgages waaaaay more than that – I’m guessing a lot of people will be going into debt to get this money. And that opens a whole can of economic worms.
Overall – I feel like this is a shit idea, tbh. I would like to know how they got these numbers, what were the arguments – my mind isn’t completely made.
EDIT: one way of looking at it would be using those funds to hire and keep professionals in Army and pay them salary. For which however I’d like to see some analysis of how many people do they expect to pay, how would they analyze the impact of taking loans for this. How many soldiers can they pay salary for in a professional army, etc. etc. Somehow I don’t think any serious thought was given to these.
My family we really angry at this news because they said all the money will go to corrupt politicians and not armenia and I was gullible I believing it will benefit our country. Are they right?
I don’t think anyone born in Armenia believes there is equality in the army now or ever. A significant percentage of Armenians avoid service for “medical” reasons which undoubtedly involves bribes etc. through this law this money would be redirected to support paying more professional soldiers which the MoD has said would eventually lead to the reduction in the length of service for conscripts.
I don’t know if this law is good or bad. Certainly it uses a reality in Armenian society to the benefit of the state and the people as a whole. one month is essentially no service, but they have reported that there would not be unlimited spaces for these shortened services. One main challenge would be concurrently doubling down on the checking of medical conditions.
Frankly, leaving Armenia and never returning to avoid service is already likely on the mind of many young men and I don’t think this law will change any minds, this was a possibility before and would continue afterwards, it may however keep some young men in the country because now they have a legal way to reduce the length of time of their service.
I consider it pragmatic.
1. There is no systemic corruption anymore. So, No, the money will not get into somebody’s pocket.
2. The government made it clear that this money will directly go to contract soliders‘ salary.
Each unserved boy of a rich person will be able to pay 5 year salary of 2 contract soliders.
This is not only pragmatic but a great idea. Here’s my point:
1. instead of 1 non-professional solider for 2 years you get 2 professional ones for 5 years. Assuming that professional solider fights 2x better than the non-pro one, you get 10x better fighting capacity for the army.
2. There’s a concept of using the capabilities of different people in a smart way in the army. If you take your fighter pilot to the border trenches with an AK – you’re wasting their capacity as they could do much more if they were flying planes. Same logic applies here, a rich guy’s kid with an AK on the trenches is just a young solider on the trench. But if you utilize the rich person’s capabilities smartly (which is their money), you can get 10x better fighting capability (based on the rough math above) out of it.
First of all, as OP also said, this discriminates among rich and poor. Secondly, is now of all times really the best time for Armenia to give the option to skip military service?
Democracy coming to a country near us
It is probably to encourage diaspora to come and stay.
We do the same in Turkey.
Though I personally opted for the even cheaper way of fattening myself up for a few months and getting medically disqualified, lol.
I know there is no public data available, but if anyone knows: how much does it cost to bribe to avoid serving (like in what ballpark)? If the 62K payment is higher than that, wouldn’t it just be cheaper to pay the bribe and not serve at all?
I propose a bill to fine 50k to idiots that buy expensive car numbers.
I am a Diasporian Armenian who wishes nothing but the best for the country, its people, and the identity that I am part of. I know how Mainland Armenians would say that I have no right to vote or voice. I will agree on the first one, but not on the 2nd one.
One of the things that this law might help with is making Diaspora more attracted to getting Armenian citizenship and repeat in general.
A lot of Diasporians want to genuinely go to the country but military service is something that makes them doubt, especially since a lot of them could be useless in a military area but have much more to offer, regarding education and jobs in society.
Of course, it is more of a long shot to think that they did this to give Diaspora an incentive to repatriate.
I think, by conclusion on what I read from Armenian redditors in this sub and the history regarding Armenia and its mandatory military service, I think it was done so that there were less bribes and this money from taxes *could go* to other sites in the country; maybe better military components, better pays for the soldiers or other country needs.
However, I am not naive, and I know that there *might* still be remnants of corruption. As an Argentinian with a president who swears to eliminate corruption from a country corrupted from the beginig, I am doubtful and share that it is something that could be 100% achievable… but I do think that it is being managed.
Armenians in Mainland will have to tell me if corruption is greater or not during these times with Pashinyan.
But what I want to say is that this law will give Diaspora, at least those who want to live and help directly, more incentive and less fear in repating.
This way we could have a more united Armenian community all around the world… or at least we are getting closer to it.
I would love to hear what you think 😀
A stupid law, at least the part that enforces a fee to renounce the citizenship.
I leave in Germany, but we all have Armenian citizenship. There is no way we pay 40k so that my son can just renounce his citizenship. Guess what will happen? Right, he won’t visit Armenia anymore once he is 17, and neither other boys like him.
there’s still nothing about citizens who left the country at a very young age and are trying to move back, they’re put under the mandatory service group
and this law says it’s 63,000 USD to serve 1 month compared to the current law which is 35,000 USD to not serve at all.
Those numbers are pretty high actually wow.
If the objective is to give people across all society a real choice of paying or serving, this is far too expensive. If the objective is to coax money out of the rich, it is much too little.
I think this should be family means assessed, especially as this provides another avenue where lying about means exposes people to fraud litigation. If Gurgen’s father is a bus driver and his mother is a shop assistant on paper, how did he cough up the money? If he is paying the minimum, then how can it be explained that he lives in a mansion?
Better than corruption
One more reason why Armenia as a country is non existent for me anymore.