I’m entirely unsurprised since over half of Labour’s 2024 vote most likely fell into the „not the Tories“ category rather than traditional Labour voters. If that was their mindset, it’s also safe to assume those same voters aren’t too enthused with some of his policies since the election and will be looking elsewhere for the next round.
Any-Swing-3518 on
Yeah and if they do, it will split the vote and put Farage in Number 10 in a landslide. The 20,000 ft view here is that Starmer’s Labour would rather have that than introduce proportional representation. (Just as they preferred a Tory government to a Corbyn premiership – their own leader at the time.) „Democracy.“
JoeThrilling on
I voted Labour, and mostly have my entire life, I’ll be voting tactically, whatever helps keep Reform out of power.
MondeyMondey on
I *wish* the Greens were trying a bit harder. This is your chance! Make some noise! Everyone hates Kier!
Puzzleheaded-Key2212 on
The Green Party openly wants to ban the motor car by 2035—something I’m genuinely passionate about. I’ve loved classic cars for as long as I can remember, and it’s not just a hobby. The automotive industry supports thousands of jobs across the UK in manufacturing, engineering, and restoration. There’s also the classic car scene, which I’ve been part of for over 15 years. It’s brought me lifelong friends and played a huge part in my life—especially when I restored my car as a much-needed escape while my dad was battling cancer.
Even if they were the only party left, I couldn’t vote for them. Their contempt for cars and the culture around them is clear.
Their policies would set us back decades. The level of economic damage they’d inflict is staggering—and in some cases, I genuinely believe their proposals border on being unpatriotic, considering how much harm they’d do to this country.
W35TH4M on
I voted Lib Dem but I would’ve voted Labour if it was going to be closer. Going forward it’ll be whatever keeps reform out of power. Tbh I would love for a left wing party who cares about immigration but that feels like a pipe dream
FelisCantabrigiensis on
If they’d stop trying to chase flighty right-wing voters and pay more attention to their core centre-left constituency, they might do better.
gar1848 on
Look the problem is pretty simple. Starmer got voted in because people were tired of austerity and culture wars. They wanted the change he promised.
Rather than doing anything, he has been responsable for even more cuts to social spending and has trown trans people under the bus
The Greens and Libdems exploding in popularity alongside Reform is hardly a surprise at this point
CosmicBonobo on
Has anyone else noticed that we now talk like there’s an election every year?
Labour have four more years to go, anyone who wants them out are just going to have to sit on their hands until then.
greylord123 on
The problem with labour is that they don’t represent the actual workers any more.
You have one half of the labour party which is just the „same as usual“ Tories in a different coloured tie.
You have the other half of the party that are just student activists who care more about trans and Palestine (not that we shouldn’t care about these things) than they do about British workers. Any policy is basically just „nationalise everything and have it as a state funded benefit“
We have no party (at least not one with a significant following) that is saying „higher wages and lower cost of living“.
Even Gary Stevenson (who I like BTW) is kind of missing the point by having his main goal as „tax the rich“. We tax the rich and tax the wealthy by forcing normal people’s wages up. Whose pocket does it come out of if our wages go up? The wealthy and the shareholders. So much of our welfare budget is spent on people who work. In my eyes that’s tax payer money subsidising low wages. Government hand outs aren’t for the benefit of us. They are for the benefit of employers.
I don’t see any political parties or influencers etc having wages as a primary concern but it’s the primary concern of the average Brit.
A labour party that was set up to represent workers is doing an abysmal job (including the left wing element of the party)
RandomSculler on
Tactual voting in 2024 was MASSIVE – the exit poll pointed to a large number of Lib Dem and Green voters voting Labour in order to stop the Tories. It’s perhaps not surprising many then now say they’d vote someone else
The missing fact is that manh if those looking elsewhere will still vote Labour if it’s needed tactically
Educational-Cry-1707 on
I think about half their voters would have preferred someone else in 2024 as well but there were… other priorities
Greekgeek2000 on
I voted labour, I’ll switch to the Lib dems next election
RatioFinal4287 on
Ah yes I definitely believe that when push comes to shove and it’s labour or reform all of those people will stick to their guns
GylfiEinarsson on
They’ll try frightening people like me with guff about splitting the vote and letting Reform in, but I don’t give a toss. If they want my vote they’ll have to earn it by actually offering policies I want. As it is I can’t say I particularly approve of freezing pensioners and tipping disabled people out of their wheelchairs.
n0lesshuman on
Don’t be stupid, vote labor or hand power to reform cunts. Our system is broken and we have to choose the least bad it sucks but imagine a Nigel government with Torrys on the side.
SixRoundsTilDeath on
Honestly my hope is the vote is so split no one gets absolute power. We’ve seen what that does in America right now. Coalition of all these bastards or bust.
Rasputin-69 on
County Durham used to be a Labour heartland and it’s looking more Reform every day
martzgregpaul on
Hey turns out you screw over the LGBTQ community to chase after racists there are consequences.. who knew!
Empty-Establishment9 on
This Labour government is further to right than David Cameron’s – they lost me as a voter.
pmmecabbage on
this country is fucked and in its death throes. our current welfare state is a financial black hole (keeping it as it is suicide, and people wonder why it’s being cut in the slightest of ways by this government). we have no real investment or research, we spaffed away a decade of the lowest interest rates in history, and covid was the death blow.
no party will (or be able to) address this (pensions and housing especially) until it explodes. i don’t see a way out that doesn’t result in sovereign default and mass overhaul of our parliamentary system. Personally im trying to get myself into a position to emigrate.
Agreeable-Weather-89 on
I swear the left voters are the most demanding of all voters.
The Tories ran the country into the ground for over a decade and still had support.
Labour hasn’t fixed everything in a year and half of their support flees. Do they need to give a blowie and £1000 to all citizens?
Sushiv_ on
Labour are trying too hard to appeal to the right, and therefore losing more reliable voters on the left
Kumb on
Not surprised but the Greens are not the progressive party people think they are. They are NIMBYs and Conservation with a Small ‘c’
RandomSculler on
Again, look at the polling – it had Labour losing the seat by miles. The fact they didn’t points to reform struggling to turn polling into actual voting, and facing tactical voting positioned to stop them
If they need 9 point margin to barely win a seat then they’re really going to struggle in seats with smaller leads or where polling puts them behind
And 0% of Reforms 2025 vote is considering switching to Labour
professorquizwhitty on
Scrolling through here it amazes me how many people are scared of one rival party and would blindly vote the same crooks into power that came before this current set of crooks.
SnooMaps5367 on
Irrespective of Labour’s actions, the British media have been vehemently against Labour and Starmer since they were elected. This government has made many positive moves, such as closing tax loopholes, e.g., inheritance tax and for private schools, starting the renationalisation of energy and railway, and ending strikes, and they are underway with reforming the NHS. The trade deals with India and the USA seem good for Britain, and our relationship with the EU appears strong. Even the announcements on immigration is good for working-class people, and looks to force businesses to train and pay decent wages instead of slashing cuts by hiring „cheap labour“ from abroad.
If you follow the media narrative, you would see the situation even worse (not a surprise given 80% of our media outlets are right wing and most social media platforms are even worse). I don’t doubt there are issues with some of their policies, but the people voted for 14 years of Tory austerity before this. After Brexit, Boris and Liz Truss, comparitvely I think what they are doing is good but they are starting from a low point and it will take time to see the benefits. I fear by the time things do seem to make a difference we will get a Farage government. I think they’re just at the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s a losing battle regardless of what they do.
ReddyBlueBlue on
So, for 2029, Labour votes will be split between three parties and 25% to Reform, while the right-wing unify and vote for Reform? Leftists do realize they’re shooting themselves in the foot, right?
FriendshipForAll on
Elected on not being the Tories.
All they seem to have left is hoping people vote for them not being Reform.
The political centre is intellectually bankrupt and completely void of ideas.
And I really don’t think the ideas need to be particularly great, but we are a year in and it’s being optics disasters (sticking it to pensioners, the disabled and farmers), and dogwhistling to the far right by slyly referencing Enoch Powell then saying it was an accident, as if a bunch of politics wonks in a room haven’t read that speech.
Just do a few things that make people’s lives better, so they think “oh, they made my life better, I quite like that”. It’s not cheating. It’s how politics works.
Starmer’s project looks burned. Guy is out of his depth and out of ideas.
Labour may try to pivot to Raynor, who is at least somewhat politically savvy, but the question of how different it will be depends on whether she can stand up to the power brokers behind the Labour Together project, and if they take her down with their usual thousand cuts should she choose to.
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I’m entirely unsurprised since over half of Labour’s 2024 vote most likely fell into the „not the Tories“ category rather than traditional Labour voters. If that was their mindset, it’s also safe to assume those same voters aren’t too enthused with some of his policies since the election and will be looking elsewhere for the next round.
Yeah and if they do, it will split the vote and put Farage in Number 10 in a landslide. The 20,000 ft view here is that Starmer’s Labour would rather have that than introduce proportional representation. (Just as they preferred a Tory government to a Corbyn premiership – their own leader at the time.) „Democracy.“
I voted Labour, and mostly have my entire life, I’ll be voting tactically, whatever helps keep Reform out of power.
I *wish* the Greens were trying a bit harder. This is your chance! Make some noise! Everyone hates Kier!
The Green Party openly wants to ban the motor car by 2035—something I’m genuinely passionate about. I’ve loved classic cars for as long as I can remember, and it’s not just a hobby. The automotive industry supports thousands of jobs across the UK in manufacturing, engineering, and restoration. There’s also the classic car scene, which I’ve been part of for over 15 years. It’s brought me lifelong friends and played a huge part in my life—especially when I restored my car as a much-needed escape while my dad was battling cancer.
Even if they were the only party left, I couldn’t vote for them. Their contempt for cars and the culture around them is clear.
Their policies would set us back decades. The level of economic damage they’d inflict is staggering—and in some cases, I genuinely believe their proposals border on being unpatriotic, considering how much harm they’d do to this country.
I voted Lib Dem but I would’ve voted Labour if it was going to be closer. Going forward it’ll be whatever keeps reform out of power. Tbh I would love for a left wing party who cares about immigration but that feels like a pipe dream
If they’d stop trying to chase flighty right-wing voters and pay more attention to their core centre-left constituency, they might do better.
Look the problem is pretty simple. Starmer got voted in because people were tired of austerity and culture wars. They wanted the change he promised.
Rather than doing anything, he has been responsable for even more cuts to social spending and has trown trans people under the bus
The Greens and Libdems exploding in popularity alongside Reform is hardly a surprise at this point
Has anyone else noticed that we now talk like there’s an election every year?
Labour have four more years to go, anyone who wants them out are just going to have to sit on their hands until then.
The problem with labour is that they don’t represent the actual workers any more.
You have one half of the labour party which is just the „same as usual“ Tories in a different coloured tie.
You have the other half of the party that are just student activists who care more about trans and Palestine (not that we shouldn’t care about these things) than they do about British workers. Any policy is basically just „nationalise everything and have it as a state funded benefit“
We have no party (at least not one with a significant following) that is saying „higher wages and lower cost of living“.
Even Gary Stevenson (who I like BTW) is kind of missing the point by having his main goal as „tax the rich“. We tax the rich and tax the wealthy by forcing normal people’s wages up. Whose pocket does it come out of if our wages go up? The wealthy and the shareholders. So much of our welfare budget is spent on people who work. In my eyes that’s tax payer money subsidising low wages. Government hand outs aren’t for the benefit of us. They are for the benefit of employers.
I don’t see any political parties or influencers etc having wages as a primary concern but it’s the primary concern of the average Brit.
A labour party that was set up to represent workers is doing an abysmal job (including the left wing element of the party)
Tactual voting in 2024 was MASSIVE – the exit poll pointed to a large number of Lib Dem and Green voters voting Labour in order to stop the Tories. It’s perhaps not surprising many then now say they’d vote someone else
The missing fact is that manh if those looking elsewhere will still vote Labour if it’s needed tactically
I think about half their voters would have preferred someone else in 2024 as well but there were… other priorities
I voted labour, I’ll switch to the Lib dems next election
Ah yes I definitely believe that when push comes to shove and it’s labour or reform all of those people will stick to their guns
They’ll try frightening people like me with guff about splitting the vote and letting Reform in, but I don’t give a toss. If they want my vote they’ll have to earn it by actually offering policies I want. As it is I can’t say I particularly approve of freezing pensioners and tipping disabled people out of their wheelchairs.
Don’t be stupid, vote labor or hand power to reform cunts. Our system is broken and we have to choose the least bad it sucks but imagine a Nigel government with Torrys on the side.
Honestly my hope is the vote is so split no one gets absolute power. We’ve seen what that does in America right now. Coalition of all these bastards or bust.
County Durham used to be a Labour heartland and it’s looking more Reform every day
Hey turns out you screw over the LGBTQ community to chase after racists there are consequences.. who knew!
This Labour government is further to right than David Cameron’s – they lost me as a voter.
this country is fucked and in its death throes. our current welfare state is a financial black hole (keeping it as it is suicide, and people wonder why it’s being cut in the slightest of ways by this government). we have no real investment or research, we spaffed away a decade of the lowest interest rates in history, and covid was the death blow.
no party will (or be able to) address this (pensions and housing especially) until it explodes. i don’t see a way out that doesn’t result in sovereign default and mass overhaul of our parliamentary system. Personally im trying to get myself into a position to emigrate.
I swear the left voters are the most demanding of all voters.
The Tories ran the country into the ground for over a decade and still had support.
Labour hasn’t fixed everything in a year and half of their support flees. Do they need to give a blowie and £1000 to all citizens?
Labour are trying too hard to appeal to the right, and therefore losing more reliable voters on the left
Not surprised but the Greens are not the progressive party people think they are. They are NIMBYs and Conservation with a Small ‘c’
Again, look at the polling – it had Labour losing the seat by miles. The fact they didn’t points to reform struggling to turn polling into actual voting, and facing tactical voting positioned to stop them
If they need 9 point margin to barely win a seat then they’re really going to struggle in seats with smaller leads or where polling puts them behind
[https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2025/03/runcorn-by-election-reform-uk-in-pole-position/](https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2025/03/runcorn-by-election-reform-uk-in-pole-position/)
And 0% of Reforms 2025 vote is considering switching to Labour
Scrolling through here it amazes me how many people are scared of one rival party and would blindly vote the same crooks into power that came before this current set of crooks.
Irrespective of Labour’s actions, the British media have been vehemently against Labour and Starmer since they were elected. This government has made many positive moves, such as closing tax loopholes, e.g., inheritance tax and for private schools, starting the renationalisation of energy and railway, and ending strikes, and they are underway with reforming the NHS. The trade deals with India and the USA seem good for Britain, and our relationship with the EU appears strong. Even the announcements on immigration is good for working-class people, and looks to force businesses to train and pay decent wages instead of slashing cuts by hiring „cheap labour“ from abroad.
If you follow the media narrative, you would see the situation even worse (not a surprise given 80% of our media outlets are right wing and most social media platforms are even worse). I don’t doubt there are issues with some of their policies, but the people voted for 14 years of Tory austerity before this. After Brexit, Boris and Liz Truss, comparitvely I think what they are doing is good but they are starting from a low point and it will take time to see the benefits. I fear by the time things do seem to make a difference we will get a Farage government. I think they’re just at the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s a losing battle regardless of what they do.
So, for 2029, Labour votes will be split between three parties and 25% to Reform, while the right-wing unify and vote for Reform? Leftists do realize they’re shooting themselves in the foot, right?
Elected on not being the Tories.
All they seem to have left is hoping people vote for them not being Reform.
The political centre is intellectually bankrupt and completely void of ideas.
And I really don’t think the ideas need to be particularly great, but we are a year in and it’s being optics disasters (sticking it to pensioners, the disabled and farmers), and dogwhistling to the far right by slyly referencing Enoch Powell then saying it was an accident, as if a bunch of politics wonks in a room haven’t read that speech.
Just do a few things that make people’s lives better, so they think “oh, they made my life better, I quite like that”. It’s not cheating. It’s how politics works.
Starmer’s project looks burned. Guy is out of his depth and out of ideas.
Labour may try to pivot to Raynor, who is at least somewhat politically savvy, but the question of how different it will be depends on whether she can stand up to the power brokers behind the Labour Together project, and if they take her down with their usual thousand cuts should she choose to.